I have a few questions for the NCAA refs

[tref]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

If it isn't done until the ball is going the other way there's really no chance of a patient whistle coming in and creating an issue.

Yeah, I thought I stressed "after the play was complete."
I guess the people who dont like it either communicate verbally during live balls or ignore coaches. The people I work for dont condone either.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Yeah, I thought I stressed "after the play was complete."
I guess the people who dont like it either communicate verbally during live balls or ignore coaches. The people I work for dont condone either.

I don't like it, but it's because the partners I see using it do it during the play. They do it on plays in my primary.

I'm lead, shot goes up in our joint area towards the top of the lane, and the T (2 whistle) is giving the tip signal before the ball even hits the floor on a blocked shot. I've got no problem with it being used afterwards, by people who have a better sense of timing due to experience.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by tref

Yeah, I thought I stressed "after the play was complete."
I guess the people who dont like it either communicate verbally during live balls or ignore coaches. The people I work for dont condone either.

But I didn't understand it to mean when the ball is going the other way. If there is definitely no way that another official may whistle a foul on the play, then my main objection to it is irrelevant. However, at the high school level I see it more right after a shot is blocked. There is still a potential for a whistle. I guess its just one of those things we can disagree on. I don't like it and don't want younger officials getting into the habit. I guess you can argue that you are providing more information. You are saying you saw it and judged it was not a foul. However, my argument is that not calling the foul says the same thing.

[rwest]

I'm not condoning not addressing a coach. The times I see it the coach isn't yelling at the official. Now to be fair most of the time I'm seeing this is at a middle school or high school rec game. Although, one of the officials using it is a good young HS official. I'm just trying to get him out of the habit.

[tref]

Originally Posted by rwest

But I didn't understand it to mean when the ball is going the other way. If there is definitely no way that another official may whistle a foul on the play, then my main objection to it is irrelevant. However, at the high school level I see it more right after a shot is blocked. There is still a potential for a whistle. I guess its just one of those things we can disagree on. I don't like it and don't want younger officials getting into the habit. I guess you can argue that you are providing more information. You are saying you saw it and judged it was not a foul. However, my argument is that not calling the foul says the same thing.

I understand your point rwest. I didn't say "going the other way" because "after the play completes" is more accurate as we can have an offensive rebound that gets kicked back out to begin a new play on the same end.
I used to have that mindset, but what I noticed is that the great communicators of the game are generally the most successful.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I understand your point rwest. I didn't say "going the other way" because "after the play completes" is more accurate as we can have an offensive rebound that gets kicked back out to begin a new play on the same end.
I used to have that mindset, but what I noticed is that the great communicators of the game are generally the most successful.

Let me ask you this:
Are you offering the information without being asked? Or are you using the signal only on plays where the coach starts questioning a no-call?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me ask you this:
Are you offering the information without being asked? Or are you using the signal only on plays where the coach starts questioning a no-call?

Snaqs I've been taught not to trouble trouble.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Snaqs I've been taught not to trouble trouble.

Okay, that's my philosophy, too. I've never had anything but trouble from offering information that wasn't requested. That's my main issue with this "signal," though, is that when I see it used, it's offered both too quickly and without any request for information.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

that's my main issue with this "signal," though, is that when i see it used, it's offered both too quickly and without any request for information.

+10000

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, that's my philosophy, too. I've never had anything but trouble from offering information that wasn't requested. That's my main issue with this "signal," though, is that when I see it used, it's offered both too quickly and without any request for information.

Concur, I usually see it in lower level games & in the off-season. But they dont usually use the "gator chomp" its usually the communication tool for a tipped ball at the moment the blocked shot occurs... and thats when I come over the top with a foul. j/k