End Of Game: NC State v. North Carolina

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Okay with the no call or was that "serious contact" as stated by the announcer?

Originally I was thinking PC but looking at the under the basket view I think the offensive player got his head and shoulders past the defender so subsequent contact would then be on the defense, so I think I would go block. Really close play though. I could go either way and be happy with it.

As for the second vid, that ball got knocked away from underneath. A clean strip.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Originally I was thinking PC but looking at the under the basket view I think the offensive player got his head and shoulders past the defender so subsequent contact would then be on the defense, so I think I would go block. Really close play though. I could go either way and be happy with it.

As for the second vid, that ball got knocked away from underneath. A clean strip.

Ha...you call a block on that play and you won't even be working middle school games.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Da Official

Ha...you call a block on that play and you won't even be working middle school games.

Well there are many HS officials (not about him personally) that call a block every they get a chance. So I am not sure about what he would work if he called it that way. Officials at the high school level (and other levels) love to penalize the defense when they are legal.

BTW, I saw nothing close in this play. It was a PC all the way if you are going to call anything.

Peace

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well there are many HS officials (not about him personally) that call a block every they get a chance. So I am not sure about what he would work if he called it that way. Officials at the high school level (and other levels) love to penalize the defense when they are legal.

BTW, I saw nothing close in this play. It was a PC all the way if you are going to call anything.

Peace

I typically think that PC isn't called enough and is probably the right call on this situation, but no one really commented on the head and shoulders past the defense part. What do you think?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I typically think that PC isn't called enough and is probably the right call on this situation, but no one really commented on the head and shoulders past the defense part. What do you think?

How in the world is his head and shoulders beyond the defender?

All the contact was in the chest, not in the side of the shoulder. I think you are reading too much into the rule if that is your claim for a block IMO.

Peace

[Sharpshooternes]

Ok. I'll concede. PC

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I typically think that PC isn't called enough and is probably the right call on this situation, but no one really commented on the head and shoulders past the defense part. What do you think?

Head and shoulders is a rule of thumb. There's no way I'm punishing a defender with position just because the dribbler turned himself into a pretzel.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Head and shoulders is a rule of thumb. There's no way I'm punishing a defender with position just because the dribbler turned himself into a pretzel.

Actually snaqs, check out 10-6-8. Not a rule of thumb. just a rule.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Actually snaqs, check out 10-6-8. Not a rule of thumb. just a rule.

And a case of you twisting it (like a pretzel) to meet a scenario where it doesn't apply, IMO.

[dahoopref]

Play starts in the T's area and moves into the L's primary area of coverage; not a secondary defender. L appears to have a wide/open look.

In plays like this that have happened to me in the past, if I'm the T and I don't stay connected to the play, I'm trusting the L will make the call....any call. During the pre-game, I tell my crew if a player(s) is on the floor we have to know why he is down there on the floor.

If an evaluator comes in after the game and asks what happened, the L is gonna have to "man-up" and explain his non-call. In any case, I'm gonna trust my partner that the "no-call" at that time was the right decision.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Play starts in the T's area and moves into the L's primary area of coverage; not a secondary defender. L appears to have a wide/open look.

In plays like this that have happened to me in the past, if I'm the T and I don't stay connected to the play, I'm trusting the L will make the call....any call. During the pre-game, I tell my crew if a player(s) is on the floor we have to know why he is down there on the floor.

If an evaluator comes in after the game and asks what happened, the L is gonna have to "man-up" and explain his non-call. In any case, I'm gonna trust my partner that the "no-call" at that time was the right decision.

Oh, so you will hang you partner(s) out to dry?

Play starts in your area, you will pass it off on someone whom may be working off ball looking for a secondary defender to come into the picture.

Then if an evaluator comes and question the call the L will have to "man up" How about the person where the play originated from "MAN UP" and say. I did not stay with the play until there was a change in status of the ball (pass, shot, or foul) have taken place.

Unbelieveable!!! IMO

[jearef]

In my opinion, the dribbler clearly initiates contact in order to create space so he can get off the shot. An obvious advantage is gained. It's a game-changer and a clear player control foul. Especially given the situation, someone has to have a whistle.

The unfortunate thing is that with the Hess ejections of a few weeks ago, the NC State fans are going to start talking about conspiracy. Obviously a bunch of baloney, but we all know it's coming.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by jearef

The unfortunate thing is that with the Hess ejections of a few weeks ago, the NC State fans are going to start talking about conspiracy. Obviously a bunch of baloney, but we all know it's coming.

Well Brian Dorsey didn't exactly help quell the conspiracy theorists at all...

[fiasco]

Ignoring the commentary, what differences do you see (if any) between the calls in question on both ends of the floor?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Ignoring the commentary, what differences do you see (if any) between the calls in question on both ends of the floor?

I'll comment (w/o having read other responses). The first PC on NCSU was passed on by the Lead and called by the Trail who was straight-lined. And Kendall Marshall's play was also passed on by the Lead. So I say the Trail had no business putting a whistle on the NCSU PC foul.

On the 2 post plays: the NCSU post player put his shoulder into the defender. Zeller did absolutely nothing on his post play, the defender just fell down.