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Old Thu Mar 08, 2012, 07:24pm
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And here's Dan Dakich's contribution, after a player slides on the floor and takes out an opponent's legs: "You can't call a foul on that, the ball was loose!"

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Old Thu Mar 08, 2012, 07:44pm
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I've said this before, but the NBA rules are written to favor the offense and encourage high scoring games and allow for dunks. This is because the NBA executives and TV people believe that high scoring games sell more tickets and generate a larger viewing audience.
Want specific examples? -- The "upward motion" wording of the NBA's block/charge rule, the adding of the restricted area around the basket, the more liberal continuous motion rule.

This mentality filters down to the NCAA and HS levels, where in many cases the concepts aren't supported by the actual rules. How much did we hear about the defender being under the basket before the NCAA put in a rule with an imaginary area and then added the arc, and we still hear that complaint at the HS level.

The HS rules are still the more balanced between offense and defense. The NCAA is moving more toward the entertainment show that the NBA puts on.
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Old Thu Mar 08, 2012, 08:17pm
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This mentality filters down to the NCAA and HS levels, where in many cases the concepts aren't supported by the actual rules. How much did we hear about the defender being under the basket before the NCAA put in a rule with an imaginary area and then added the arc, and we still hear that complaint at the HS level.

The HS rules are still the more balanced between offense and defense. The NCAA is moving more toward the entertainment show that the NBA puts on.
Actually the purpose of the rule was/is safety. The RA is in place to prevent unnecessary contact under the basket that was only intended to get a cheap foul or create contact that would ordinarily not take place. Actually I think the rule does just that and either makes the defender come out further from the basket to take a charge or they let the shooter go to the basket without a crash. I rarely see anyone in the HS game that tries to get a charge under the basket regardless of what the rule says.

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Old Thu Mar 08, 2012, 08:22pm
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Actually the purpose of the rule was/is safety. The RA is in place to prevent unnecessary contact under the basket that was only intended to get a cheap foul or create contact that would ordinarily not take place. Actually I think the rule does just that and either makes the defender come out further from the basket to take a charge or they let the shooter go to the basket without a crash. I rarely see anyone in the HS game that tries to get a charge under the basket regardless of what the rule says.

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I agree. I never thought parking oneself just in front of the landing spot was good defense.
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Old Thu Mar 08, 2012, 08:27pm
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Actually the purpose of the rule was/is safety. The RA is in place to prevent unnecessary contact under the basket that was only intended to get a cheap foul or create contact that would ordinarily not take place. Actually I think the rule does just that and either makes the defender come out further from the basket to take a charge or they let the shooter go to the basket without a crash. I rarely see anyone in the HS game that tries to get a charge under the basket regardless of what the rule says.

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That or forces the defender to actually try and defend the shot by blocking it. I've never had a problem with the rule, and I think it's working out alright at the NCAA level.
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Old Thu Mar 08, 2012, 08:35pm
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That or forces the defender to actually try and defend the shot by blocking it. I've never had a problem with the rule, and I think it's working out alright at the NCAA level.
John Adams commented on this a few weeks ago in a video bulletin. I am just repeating his take and what they commented on what was the purpose of this rule change.

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John Adams commented on this a few weeks ago in a video bulletin. I am just repeating his take and what they commented on what was the purpose of this rule change.

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Those of us who officiate girls' high school ball in NYS will be using the RA next season since we use modified NCAA rules.
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I'm not sure what it is but for some reason they think offensive players should be able to run over defenders with LGP.
This is just my own opinion, but I don't think that's what they are thinking. I think that they believe the pass/crash or a secondary defender taking a charge are "cheap" fouls. They believe that those defenders aren't really playing defense, they're only trying to draw contact and should not be rewarded for playing like that.

Most of those people don't even know what LGP is, so that's not what they're thinking about. Again, just my own thoughts.
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And here's Dan Dakich's contribution, after a player slides on the floor and takes out an opponent's legs: "You can't call a foul on that, the ball was loose!"

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Ah a favorite argument of local coaches. I called a foul in a freshman game this season when a player jumped on the back of her prone opponent while trying to go after a loose ball.

Her coached wanted to know why that was a foul and I accidently said what I was thinking when I asked him if he really needed an answer to that question? Oops...

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Those of us who officiate girls' high school ball in NYS will be using the RA next season since we use modified NCAA rules.
I am curious to know how it turns out, please keep us updated.
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I am curious to know how it turns out, please keep us updated.
So am I especially since I'm pretty sure none of the schools will have RAs on their courts, meaning we'll have to guess-timate on those calls. Fun times.
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Old Fri Mar 09, 2012, 08:59am
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And here's Dan Dakich's contribution, after a player slides on the floor and takes out an opponent's legs: "You can't call a foul on that, the ball was loose!"

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Your rule book doesn't say "in the event of a loose ball, anarchy shall ensue"??
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Old Fri Mar 09, 2012, 02:09pm
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So am I especially since I'm pretty sure none of the schools will have RAs on their courts, meaning we'll have to guess-timate on those calls. Fun times.
Actually that is what we had to deal with at the lower level college ball. Funny by January every court had a RA down. We called the best of our ability and guessed and if they did not like it we told them, "Well you do not have a RA." It stopped a lot of complaining.

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