Interesting finish to a state tournament game

[Toren]

This play was 100% preventable. How can the officials let two replacements into the game and not ensure that one of them is for the disqualified player?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Toren

This play was 100% preventable. How can the officials let two replacements into the game and not ensure that one of them is for the disqualified player?

That was my thought when the reporter gave me his account. According to the officials' manual the person administering the DQ bears most of the responsibility but all three should know.

My mentors idiot-proofed the procedure for us a long time ago:

*Tell partner(s)
*Tell player
*Tell head coach
*Start timer
*Make the head coach replace the DQed player first, then bring in any other subs who were already at the table when the DQ took place

Basically, do anything possible to make sure we don't have to call a T.

[Adam]

They lost focus, but it seems they dealt with it correctly after that. Just like a six-players T, only far less likely.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That was my thought when the reporter gave me his account. According to the officials' manual the person administering the DQ bears most of the responsibility but all three should know.

My mentors idiot-proofed the procedure for us a long time ago:

*Tell partner(s)
*Tell player
*Tell head coach
*Start timer
*Make the head coach replace the DQed player first, then bring in any other subs who were already at the table when the DQ took place

Basically, do anything possible to make sure we don't have to call a T.

2-8-4: Notify the head coach and request the timer to begin the replacement interval, and then notify the player on a disqualification.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by just another ref

2-8-4: Notify the head coach and request the timer to begin the replacement interval, and then notify the player on a disqualification.

Sorry, got them reversed. Though in an ideal situation I'd like the kid notified - by my partner - at the same time as the coach just so the player is heading in the right direction, i.e., their bench.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Sorry, got them reversed. Though in an ideal situation I'd like the kid notified - by the non-calling official - at the same time as the coach just so the player is heading in the right direction, i.e., their bench.

Technically the non-calling official is responsible for DQ'ed procedures. Not the calling official. According to the officials manual.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Technically the non-calling official is responsible for DQ'ed procedures. Not the calling official. According to the officials manual.

One of these posts I'll get it right on paper/my computer screen . I meant my partner and I changed it in the original.

One thing I am sure of is I've found the responsibility of notifying the coach/player tends to be split. I've done it and I've had a lot of partners as well who, if they're the lucky one to call the fifth foul under NFHS rules, end up telling the coach the kid has fouled out right after they report the foul. It's all a matter of whether the coach is losing his/her mind with the call.

I do about 2/3 of my games under NCAAW mechanics between college and NYS Girls' H.S. so I end up in front of the table more often than not when I call a foul and always after I call a shooting foul so I'll end up telling the coach about a DQ instead of my partner.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

One of these posts I'll get it right on paper/my computer screen . I meant my partner and I changed it in the original.

One thing I am sure of is I've found the responsibility of notifying the coach/player tends to be split. I've done it and I've had a lot of partners as well who, if they're the lucky one to call the fifth foul under NFHS rules, end up telling the coach the kid has fouled out right after they report the foul. It's all a matter of whether the coach is losing his/her mind with the call.

I do about 2/3 of my games under NCAAW mechanics between college and NYS Girls' H.S. so I end up in front of the table more often than not when I call a foul and always after I call a shooting foul so I'll end up telling the coach about a DQ instead of my partner.

JMF,

I got what you are saying. I believe even in at the NCAA level manual the non-calling official handles the DQ'ed procedure. Yes, its more convenient for official who is already table side to perform those duties.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Technically the non-calling official is responsible for DQ'ed procedures. Not the calling official. According to the officials manual.

Where is this located? Seems to me this is never the case.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Toren

Where is this located? Seems to me this is never the case.

I will locate it for you. You are correct it is not the case.

[truerookie]

Toren,

I was partially correct.

In 2 person the non-calling official will handle DQ'ed procedures. That information can be located on page 37 under Disqualification Procedures in the officials manual.

In 3 person the table side (Trail or Center) will handle DQ'ed procedures. That information can be located on page 75 under Disqualification Procedures in the officials manual.

[tref]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Toren,

I was partially correct.

In 2 person the non-calling official will handle DQ'ed procedures. That information can be located on page 37 under Disqualification Procedures in the officials manual.

In 3 person the table side (Trail or Center) will handle DQ'ed procedures. That information can be located on page 75 under Disqualification Procedures in the officials manual.

A little different us IAABO folks...
Toren pg 55 (2 person) & 136 (3 person)