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Da Official Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:02am

For a state tournament game this call stunk. Period. Yes everyone has their own opinion...this is mine.

truerookie Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:04am

Maybe this official issued the T. Due to his stature, experience and reputation.

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:04am

BNR and Jeff hit this on the head. Many T's (most, maybe) are not the result of a single action, but the accumulated actions of a player. We don't know, in a vacuum, if this kid had already been warned (possibly more than once) about the taunting. We don't know exactly why R called the earlier double-T, but the fact that they DID tells me there's a whole lot more going on than what is described in the article.

truerookie Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:07am

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 830190)
BNR and Jeff hit this on the head. Many T's (most, maybe) are not the result of a single action, but the accumulated actions of a player. We don't know, in a vacuum, if this kid had already been warned (possibly more than once) about the taunting. We don't know exactly why R called the earlier double-T, but the fact that they DID tells me there's a whole lot more going on than what is described in the article.

This maybe true. There could have been other situations leading up to this point.

It can also be assumed that the player was backpeddling to get into position on his team defensive posture and was looking to see where the ball is located. He was backpeddling!

JugglingReferee Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:11am

I do like the mechanics that this official used.

Rich Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:15am

I didn't mean to imply that I thought this guy was horrible or anything. But I'm not even certain he was really staring the guy down. In a situation like this, you'd really like a technical to call itself.

Raymond Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:17am

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 830191)
This maybe true. There could have been other situations leading up to this point.

It can also be assumed that the player was backpeddling to get into position on his team defensive posture and was looking to see where the ball is located. He was backpeddling!

He was back-pedaling by the time the whistle was blown but before that he pushed the ball to the ground and then stared at his opponent.

JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:19am

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 830191)
This maybe true. There could have been other situations leading up to this point.

It can also be assumed that the player was backpeddling to get into position on his team defensive posture and was looking to see where the ball is located. He was backpeddling!

And you do not see the reaction of the other player he dunked on. That might have made it clear what was going on.

Peace

Raymond Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:20am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830194)
... But I'm not even certain he was really staring the guy down. In a situation like this, you'd really like a technical to call itself.

You may be right Rich. But as with most plays like this it's hard to truly judge the official's actions without knowing all the variables that are in play. Could it be a bad 'T'? Sure. But I don't think we can judge its merits based solely on what we see in this video.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:54am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830168)
Having seen that Mayo video, those "allegations" were not "supported by video evidence.". What a joke.


The best part of the OJ Mayo saga was that his one year of playing H.S. basketball in West Virginia was his fifth year of playing H.S. basketball.

Mayo was living Kentucky when he played one year for his high school's varsity basketball team while still in jr. high school which is permitted in Kentucky. The next year he moved to Cincinnati, Ohio, and enrolled as a freshmen in a high school in Cincinnati, where he played varsity basketball for three years. The OhioHSAA ruled him ineligible to play his senior year because he had used up his eight semesters of high school eligiblity (two in Kentucky and six in Ohio). He then moved to West Virginia, where the West VirginiaHSAA ruled that he had two more semesters of eligiblity left. I guess they use that "new fangled math" in West Virginia.

MTD, Sr.

truerookie Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:59am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 830196)
He was back-pedaling by the time the whistle was blown but before that he pushed the ball to the ground and then stared at his opponent.

BNR,

That very well could have been the case. A delay of game warning could have been an option.

truerookie Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:02am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 830197)
And you do not see the reaction of the other player he dunked on. That might have made it clear what was going on.

Peace

The reaction I did see was two players attempting to get the ball after the dunk. A delay of game is my position.

JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:09am

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 830214)
The reaction I did see was two players attempting to get the ball after the dunk. A delay of game is my position.

Yep, they were in the video the entire time. Oh and when the whistle was blown, I bet you could see them off the camera too.

Peace

BillyMac Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:10am

They Call It Ciphering ...
 
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 830210)
I guess they use that "new fangled math" in West Virginia.

And they get to marry their first cousins.

berserkBBK Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:27am

This is taunting. The player gave the stare and postured up. However, is it enough for a T?
I would have to get a feel for the game before I say if this was justified. However, you need to be aware of who has a technical foul. I have been told by mentors and supervisors that the second T better be indisputable, and this one is debatable. As a first T I would not mind this. But a second, in playoffs, I would be looking to avoid this.
If the game goes into a brawl this kind of play would be scrutinized as not being called. If the official was seeing the game game getting out of hand then I can justify the call.
Most importantly what the hell is this kid doing? He already has a T and he is trying to show up the other team. Just get back on D!

What would you say to the player if you are saying there are ways to avoid calling the T?


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