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JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:44pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 830301)
That's the post that finally convinced me to put you on ignore. Long overdue...

LOL!!!

Peace

rockyroad Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:47pm

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Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 830291)
While the official may not have spoken, I think it's a safe bet that the AJC reporter interviewed either coaches/AD or players to get the official explanation of the ejection. On the other hand, I know nothing of the AJC and their journalistic integrity. I would hope they fact check their stories and use multiple sources before going to press. On the other hand, maybe journalism has gone out the door as in so many other places.

That article says nothing about why the player was ejected. It just gives the coach whining about what he doesn't think his player did. So there is no verification of anything here...

Even if the coach had said something along the lines of "He (the referee) told me..." it still would not be verification of anything. Using what one aggrieved party claims someone else said is not verification.

JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 830311)
That article says nothing about why the player was ejected. It just gives the coach whining about what he doesn't think his player did. So there is no verification of anything here...

Even if the coach had said something along the lines of "He (the referee) told me..." it still would not be verification of anything. Using what one aggrieved party claims someone else said is not verification.

Exactly. I had to file a report this year about a dispute with some events with a school (AD and Principal) and the coach clearly misrepresented to his AD what I said to him directly in an explanation about a kid that got a T that resulted in his 5th foul. They literally tried to explain it away by saying he said "freakin" to me directly instead of the other word that starts with the same letter. Not only did the coach ask me what happened, I told him word for word what his player said so that there would not be any confusion. And that was in a report to the state, not a newspaper or media member.

I tend to not trust anything a coach says when they are trying to justify behavior of their players and sometimes themselves.

Peace

jdmara Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:31pm

I hate how officials can jump to a conclusion that a call like this is right or wrong. There could have been a lot leading up to this incident and this pushed it over the end. Why question a fellow official? He is there for a reason.

-Josh

Rich Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:32pm

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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 830325)
I hate how officials can jump to a conclusion that a call like this is right or wrong. There could have been a lot leading up to this incident and this pushed it over the end. Why question a fellow official? He is there for a reason.

-Josh

Eh, I'm not a fan of the "striped wall." I despise it in other professions and there's no reason not to have a discussion to try to make us better officials.

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830326)
Eh, I'm not a fan of the "striped wall." I despise it in other professions and there's no reason not to have a discussion to try to make us better officials.

I respect that, and would not defend officials blindly across the board... but hanging these guys out by assuming this is a bad call (or the two posts that would have liked to see the T from a different official ... ) is patently unfair - we weren't there, we have extremely minimal information AND some of the information we do have comes from an extremely biased source.

JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2012 05:31pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 830327)
I respect that, and would not defend officials blindly across the board... but hanging these guys out by assuming this is a bad call (or the two posts that would have liked to see the T from a different official ... ) is patently unfair - we weren't there, we have extremely minimal information AND some of the information we do have comes from an extremely biased source.

As a state clinician and president of an association and board member of other groups, I do not like to look at things through a narrow point of view as well. There are a lot of good teaching points from this play and I would have asked the official several questions as to why they came to this conclusion. There answer would tell me more than what I thought I saw.

Peace

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 06, 2012 07:42pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 830161)
From Wikipedia

In January 2007, Mayo allegedly assaulted referee Mike Lazo after being ejected from a Huntington High game vs. Capital High School at the Charleston Civic Center. According to West Virginia Secondary School Activities Commission rules, Mayo was suspended for two games. However, due to allegations supported by video evidence that Lazo had overreacted and faked the incident, a temporary restraining order was signed by Cabell County Circuit Court Judge Dan O'Hanlan, temporarily lifting the suspensions on Mayo and five other players suspended due to incidents at that game. However, shortly after, the restraining order was nullified and Mayo was suspended for three games, a punishment that Mayo described as "fair".

I wonder who edited the entry.

Adam Tue Mar 06, 2012 09:19pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 830301)
That's the post that finally convinced me to put you on ignore. Long overdue...

You'll find yourself rolling your eyes less often.

Toren Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:57pm

You gotta wonder why this player was in the game to begin with? He had gotten one technical already and the game wasn't in doubt. Especially, if as some have suggested, considering he might have had a couple of questionable actions before the actual T was issued.

So either the coach thought his player could continue to push the limits or this was an isolated incident and the referee called a quick one.

Jesse James Wed Mar 07, 2012 07:35am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 830368)
You gotta wonder why this player was in the game to begin with? He had gotten one technical already and the game wasn't in doubt. Especially, if as some have suggested, considering he might have had a couple of questionable actions before the actual T was issued.

So either the coach thought his player could continue to push the limits or this was an isolated incident and the referee called a quick one.

They were up 42-35 when the kid was tossed, with over 14 minutes remaining in the game.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:42am

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Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 830291)
While the official may not have spoken, I think it's a safe bet that the AJC reporter interviewed either coaches/AD or players to get the official explanation of the ejection. On the other hand, I know nothing of the AJC and their journalistic integrity. I would hope they fact check their stories and use multiple sources before going to press. On the other hand, maybe journalism has gone out the door as in so many other places.

Reading the comments on the original AJC story provides some context, though it all has to be taken with a very large grain of salt.

If I did this properly this link is to the AJC story and not the Yahoo report that was linked previously.

Milton coach miffed over Mann’s ejection; Georgia signee can’t play in semifinals for final | Prep Zone: High School Sports


Since when are Players, Coaches, and ADs the experts on the Rules? :eek:

MTD, Sr.

Adam Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:25am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 830445)
Since when are Players, Coaches, and ADs the experts on the Rules? :eek:

MTD, Sr.

Since reporters could be counted on to get the facts straight before printing an article.


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