You Make The Call

[refiator]

Close, but I have a block or nothing.

[rockyroad]

The C is standing there flat footed...never moves to get an angle on the play. No way he can even see what happens there. And then he stands there shaking his head from side to side...all he had to do was take one step up or down and he would have been able to make the call. Have to fight for an angle on plays all the time.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by refiator

Close, but I have a block or nothing.

If there is one type of play that John Adams preaches and preaches should be a Freedom of Movement foul this play is it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

how can guys work Big East games when this play occurs and NOT have a whistle?

IMHO it is obviously a block.....a few may think it should have been a charge....but you have GOT TO HAVE A WHISTLE ON THIS!!!!!!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Every time someone falls we have to have a whistle? I do not think you have to have a whistle if you deem the contact was not illegal.

Peace

He said "this play"...not every play. And I agree with him. This is a block in any game at any level.

When a dribbler and defender collide and both go down, it has to be something.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He said "this play"...not every play. And I agree with him. This is a block in any game at any level.

When a dribbler and defender collide and both go down, it has to be something.

I think it is a block, but I can see why "this play" was not called either. There is a case to be made that the contact did little to make him fall. Actually I have to see it in slow motion to even make a decision that this is a foul. In real time I might have called nothing. Then again that is me.

Peace

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Every time someone falls we have to have a whistle? I do not think you have to have a whistle if you deem the contact was not illegal.

Peace

It is an NCAA-M "Absolute"...when contact occurs that causes the ball handler to fall/lose control of the ball, you MUST have a whistle.

Even Ray Charles can see that the contact by the defender (who did not have LGP) caused the dribbler to fall and loose the ball.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by refiator

Close, but I have a block or nothing.

this cannot be "nothing"...either a block or a charge, but definitely not "nothing"....

is it incidental contact? NO
is it marginal contact? NO
is it contact that warrants a foul? YES

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think it is a block, but I can see why "this play" was not called either. There is a case to be made that the contact did little to make him fall. Actually I have to see it in slow motion to even make a decision that this is a foul. In real time I might have called nothing. Then again that is me.

Peace

u actually believe that the contact "did little to make him fall"?...really?

how often do you see an offensive player "flop" by falling to the floor and loose possession of the ball in a tied game w/ 2:16 left all in an effort to "dupe" an official into making a call?

i would bet that Mike Roberts (the C on this play) would LOVE to have a "do over" on this play....if not him, then DEFINITELY Big East Supervisor Art Hyland would....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

It is an NCAA-M "Absolute"...when contact occurs that causes the ball handler to fall/lose control of the ball, you MUST have a whistle.

Even Ray Charles can see that the contact by the defender (who did not have LGP) caused the dribbler to fall and loose the ball.

It is an NCAA absolute if the contact caused the falling. It is not an absolute if you feel the player was off balance and fell. Now you can disagree, but every time someone falls does not make it a foul. I am saying an argument can be made. I guess you have never seen a player try to get somewhere they can't and fall down. I see it all the time and why I had to see the video to be more confident in a foul. Unlike some people when I watch video I watch it to see why a call was made or not made. In the real world we get one shot at the call and that is it. I know I have missed calls before, not sure you know what that means listening to you here.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

u actually believe that the contact "did little to make him fall"?...really?

how often do you see an offensive player "flop" by falling to the floor and loose possession of the ball in a tied game w/ 2:16 left all in an effort to "dupe" an official into making a call?

i would bet that Mike Roberts (the C on this play) would LOVE to have a "do over" on this play....if not him, then DEFINITELY Big East Supervisor Art Hyland would....

I have seen several plays where players fall trying to get around defenders. It happens quite a lot in the game of basketball. I did not say anything about flopping, but I see players out of control and fall. Again, I have no idea what basketball you see, but I see a lot of that happening and the defenders do not even have to move to accomplish that very result. And who cares about what the Big East Assignor said because we are not talking about his opinions or previous comments. You do not hear me talking about Dale Kelly or Faulkner do you?

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I've got a block...defender wasn't in the path of the dribbler when the contact occurred.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That is an easy blocking foul.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Block.

I'm with you three and most everyone else.

Block.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Even Ray Charles can see that the contact by the defender (who did not have LGP) caused the dribbler to fall and loose the ball.

Wrong. Ray Charles can't see. He's dead. Been dead for eight years. Someone's been watching too many "Walking Dead" episodes.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

How can guys work Big East games when this play occurs and NOT have a whistle?

Is there blood on the floor?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

It is an NCAA-M "Absolute"...when contact occurs that causes the ball handler to fall/lose control of the ball, you MUST have a whistle.

Every single time? In this play, I have a block but say you have A1 try to drive past a much larger, stationary B1. A1 clips B1 and falls to the floor sending the ball flying. Are you saying that even though A1 is responsible for contact that does not disadvantage B1, a whistle is required on the play?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Every single time? In this play, I have a block but say you have A1 try to drive past a much larger, stationary B1. A1 clips B1 and falls to the floor sending the ball flying. Are you saying that even though A1 is responsible for contact that does not disadvantage B1, a whistle is required on the play?

If B1's leg is outside of his normal stance than yes is would be a foul on B1.