State Tourney

[just another ref]

Went to watch some state semifinals today.

Girls 3A, last 2 minutes, 20 point spread or so, substitutes are in. White team inbounds against pressure, pass sails out of bounds near the division line, touched by no one. Lead whistles, retrieves the ball, and rolls it back to the end line, and takes his position as the new trail. Official on the end lines inbounds............ to white again. Officials at the division line whistles, points emphatically, and declares black ball.


Boys 4A, start of the 4th quarter. Official whistles before the ball is put in play, and leads 10 over to the bench, pointing out blood on his jersey. After a brief conversation, the coach walks down the bench, points and gestures to 33. "Don't do it, kid," I thought. But I was the only one. Both players quickly stripped off their jerseys. 33 never got off the bench, and remained there wearing his undershirt. 10 wore no undershirt, and actually walked back across the middle of the court bare-chested as he straightened out the 33 jersey before putting it on, so it's not like there was any chance that all this went unnoticed.

Don't sweat the small stuff?

[La Rikardo]

Was watching state tourney semis on Friday with a few varsity officials. Three or four minutes left in the game, White leads by ten or so, but Red is pushing for a comeback. White has an AP throw-in. Before White throws the ball in, Red fouls a White player. Everyone went to the other end to shoot the one and one and I noticed that the arrow was incorrectly switched to Red! I waited for a minute to see if the officials noticed, and then I pointed it out to the people I was watching the game with. I was shocked to find that I was the only person who noticed the error. Luckily, White kept their lead and won the game and more importantly, there were no more AP throw-ins for the rest of the game, but if Red had made a comeback and they'd had to go to the arrow, I don't think anyone would've realized that it should've been White's arrow!

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Went to watch some state semifinals today.

Girls 3A, last 2 minutes, 20 point spread or so, substitutes are in. White team inbounds against pressure, pass sails out of bounds near the division line, touched by no one. Lead whistles, retrieves the ball, and rolls it back to the end line, and takes his position as the new trail. Official on the end lines inbounds............ to white again. Officials at the division line whistles, points emphatically, and declares black ball.


Boys 4A, start of the 4th quarter. Official whistles before the ball is put in play, and leads 10 over to the bench, pointing out blood on his jersey. After a brief conversation, the coach walks down the bench, points and gestures to 33. "Don't do it, kid," I thought. But I was the only one. Both players quickly stripped off their jerseys. 33 never got off the bench, and remained there wearing his undershirt. 10 wore no undershirt, and actually walked back across the middle of the court bare-chested as he straightened out the 33 jersey before putting it on, so it's not like there was any chance that all this went unnoticed.

Don't sweat the small stuff?

Brain lock in the state semis? Ugh.

[Adam]

I didn't go, but my partner for Sat's ms games told me he'd been up to watch Great Eight games Friday night.

1. Jump ball, 6-9 vs 6-1. Toss goes up, 6-9 player seems somewhat confused by toss, ends up tapping it twice. Ball then bounces on the floor before 6-9 grabs it. Officials call a violation on 6-9.

2. Intentional foul on made basket. Officials award one FT and the ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I didn't go, but my partner for Sat's ms games told me he'd been up to watch Great Eight games Friday night.

1. Jump ball, 6-9 vs 6-1. Toss goes up, 6-9 player seems somewhat confused by toss, ends up tapping it twice. Ball then bounces on the floor before 6-9 grabs it. Officials call a violation on 6-9.

2. Intentional foul on made basket. Officials award one FT and the ball.

This wouldn't surprise me in the least, especially in places where the almighty coach's ratings determines who gets to work. The coaches don't know the rules and would still rate these officials well, probably,

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Intentional foul on made basket. Officials award one FT and the ball.

They got it half right.

[bainsey]

State title game last night. Roughly two minutes left, A-33 (whose team has a healthy lead) gets a steal, dunks the ball, and mouths off to B-32. New trail is right there for the T.

A-45 (who had his warm-up shirt on, don't know actual number) comes off the bench to do a celebratory body bump with A-33. I immediately look to see if the crew does anything about it. They don't. Can't say that I blame them (and my son's team is the losing team on this night).

[wfd21]

Hey Bainsey, Your spot on. I saw this but it didn't dawn on me. This could have been another "T". But I don't know if I would have had the "NADS" to issue it. Was a good game though.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by bainsey

State title game last night. Roughly two minutes left, A-33 (whose team has a healthy lead) gets a steal, dunks the ball, and mouths off to B-32. New trail is right there for the T.

A-45 (who had his warm-up shirt on, don't know actual number) comes off the bench to do a celebratory body bump with A-33. I immediately look to see if the crew does anything about it. They don't. Can't say that I blame them (and my son's team is the losing team on this night).

By rule would we assess the TF to A-45 or A-33?
Thinking about it. A-45 for leaving the bench area? A-33 is equally at fault for the bump. I haven't really thought of this situation.

[spaulds]

Originally Posted by bainsey

State title game last night. Roughly two minutes left, A-33 (whose team has a healthy lead) gets a steal, dunks the ball, and mouths off to B-32. New trail is right there for the T.

A-45 (who had his warm-up shirt on, don't know actual number) comes off the bench to do a celebratory body bump with A-33. I immediately look to see if the crew does anything about it. They don't. Can't say that I blame them (and my son's team is the losing team on this night).

Originally Posted by wfd21

Hey Bainsey, Your spot on. I saw this but it didn't dawn on me. This could have been another "T". But I don't know if I would have had the "NADS" to issue it. Was a good game though.

I wondered about this too...and about A-33's salute in between getting called for the technical and A45 coming out to chest bump him. I recorded the game and just rewatched this part and it is hard to tell how far on the court A-45 came out, but it looked like they were maybe around 5' from the lane...tough to tell.

On a side note. I just finished my first year officiating. Ive been coming to this forum almost every day to learn from all of you. Thank you all for the info and rules citations in your discussions. Many of the discussions here helped me through the season.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Girls 3A, last 2 minutes, 20 point spread or so, substitutes are in. White team inbounds against pressure, pass sails out of bounds near the division line, touched by no one. Lead whistles, retrieves the ball, and rolls it back to the end line, and takes his position as the new trail. Official on the end lines inbounds............ to white again. Officials at the division line whistles, points emphatically, and declares black ball.


Boys 4A, start of the 4th quarter. Official whistles before the ball is put in play, and leads 10 over to the bench, pointing out blood on his jersey. After a brief conversation, the coach walks down the bench, points and gestures to 33. "Don't do it, kid," I thought. But I was the only one. Both players quickly stripped off their jerseys. 33 never got off the bench, and remained there wearing his undershirt. 10 wore no undershirt, and actually walked back across the middle of the court bare-chested as he straightened out the 33 jersey before putting it on, so it's not like there was any chance that all this went unnoticed.

My question was whether both of these entire crews were unaware of the applicable rule or chose to ignore it? (the second thing seems more likely to me)

Or do you yield to the guy responsible for/closest to the screwup?

The new (shoulda been) trail killed the play and declared "Black ball." I can certainly see stopping and having a discussion about this one.

But if my partner leads the kid with the bloody jersey to the bench and the removal takes place literally right under his nose, it is more difficult to imagine calling this from across the court.