Slow season coming - rule changes?

[Mark Padgett]

I forgot one rule we have in our kids rec league that would be a terrific one to have in the NF. Any profanity by a player or coach is an automatic flagrant technical and includes ejection. We've had this happen a very few times per season, but in the vast majority of seasons it hasn't happened at all. Of course, we go over it in our pre-season coaches meeting.

[Welpe]

Oh hell no.

[APG]

If NF ever decided to go that route, all you'd guarantee is officials wouldn't enforce the rule. Plus unless NFHS gives a list of what is considered profane, profanity is going to vary from official to official. There's no problem with the rule, as is, right now.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

If NF ever decided to go that route, all you'd guarantee is officials wouldn't enforce the rule. Plus unless NFHS gives a list of what is considered profane, profanity is going to vary from official to official. There's no problem with the rule, as is, right now.

No there is not. If we did what was suggested people would get thrown out for words that are blocked on this site that do not offend but a few people. Then there would be a debate every game what was profane. Also I expect older kids to say things that younger kids should not say. It is the reality and we potentially could have 18 year olds on games, so that would be silly to have an across the board rule IMO.

Peace

[Texas Aggie]

1. Allow the option of taking the ball out of bounds rather than shooting free throws for fouls; OR, at least, allow this option in the last 2 minutes of each half.

2. 2 halves. There is simply no need for 4 quarters.

3. Either: a) return to the bonus at 5 fouls (1 and 1), 2 shots at 7 fouls, and 3 shots at 10 fouls, or b) eliminate the 1 and 1 and go 2 shots at 7 and 3 at 10. In the past, I've said 2 shots and the ball at 10, but 3 shots is a decent compromise.

4. Mandate 3 officials for all HS games. Allow state associations to submit waiver requests based on funding only.

5. Eliminate state waivers for coaches box.

6. Return to FT release as ending lane restrictions.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

1. Allow the option of taking the ball out of bounds rather than shooting free throws for fouls; OR, at least, allow this option in the last 2 minutes of each half.

No thank you. I get your point, promoting good defense, but no thanks.

2. 2 halves. There is simply no need for 4 quarters.

I'm with you here.

3. Either: a) return to the bonus at 5 fouls (1 and 1), 2 shots at 7 fouls, and 3 shots at 10 fouls, or b) eliminate the 1 and 1 and go 2 shots at 7 and 3 at 10. In the past, I've said 2 shots and the ball at 10, but 3 shots is a decent compromise.

What? No way. Two and the ball?? I know we don't like to be in the bonus, but that's over the top.

4. Mandate 3 officials for all HS games. Allow state associations to submit waiver requests based on funding only.

I'd be for this on the boy's side only. Having three officials for a Frosh B Girls game is overkilling overkill.

5. Eliminate state waivers for coaches box.

Meaning...every state has it? Or none?

6. Return to FT release as ending lane restrictions.

With you here.[/QUOTE]

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No there is not. If we did what was suggested people would get thrown out for words that are blocked on this site that do not offend but a few people. Then there would be a debate every game what was profane. Also I expect older kids to say things that younger kids should not say. It is the reality and we potentially could have 18 year olds on games, so that would be silly to have an across the board rule IMO.

Peace

Or, if enough people call it, any profane or borderline profane behavior would largely stop. Players only say things they do because someone allows them to do so.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or, if enough people call it, any profane or borderline profane behavior would largely stop. Players only say things they do because someone allows them to do so.

That is the problem, what is borderline profane? I know people that get offended if you say "G0D D@am" and others that do not believe in God would not be offended. So who defines what that line is? I do not see the NF doing anything like that because there are language usage that are different from one area to another. And I doubt all older people are aware of every slang, euphemism or double entendre that is used in different areas as well.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is the problem, what is borderline profane? I know people that get offended if you say "G0D D@am" and others that do not believe in God would not be offended. So who defines what that line is? I do not see the NF doing anything like that because there are language usage that are different from one area to another. And I doubt all older people are aware of every slang, euphemism or double entendre that is used in different areas as well.

Peace

There are also some cultural words that may offend or be known by some officials that are not known by others.

Or how about a game in which both teams are proficient in Spanish but only 1 of the 3 officials speaks Spanish?

We already have the tools to handle profanity and unacceptable language. It always going to come down to judgment and what is or isn't acceptable in the area you work.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Minnesota has a 35-point rule for all games beginning with 9 minutes to go at the end of the game. It is a good rule. Coaches can get all their players in. Where it helps is bad feelings seem to be reduced.

[tw1ns]

Iowa 35 point rule for boys only enforced in 2nd half and if it dips below 25pts then resume timing as normal. And i agree with earlier statement that it should be for GIRLS and probably not boys. 2 different unions, 2 different rules. what'ya going to do.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tw1ns

Iowa 35 point rule for boys only enforced in 2nd half and if it dips below 25pts then resume timing as normal. And i agree with earlier statement that it should be for GIRLS and probably not boys. 2 different unions, 2 different rules. what'ya going to do.

CO, JV only by conference adoption.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There are also some cultural words that may offend or be known by some officials that are not known by others.

It doesn't matter that some portion of officials are trash mouths and don't find a problem with profanity. If enough people called it, it wouldn't matter. The rest would even hear it for it to be an issue because the players would learn not to push the issue.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Or how about a game in which both teams are proficient in Spanish but only 1 of the 3 officials speaks Spanish?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We already have the tools to handle profanity and unacceptable language. It always going to come down to judgment and what is or isn't acceptable in the area you work.

Yes, we don't need a rules change, we just need officials to address it rather than sweep it under the rug so they can avoid making an unpopular decision.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It doesn't matter that some portion of officials are trash mouths and don't find a problem with profanity. If enough people called it, it wouldn't matter. The rest would even hear it for it to be an issue because the players would learn not to push the issue.

Being someone that works games in the city or with city teams (regardless of race BTW), I find it funny how there are certain officials (usually suburban officials) that cannot even identify certain comments, actions or body language that to officials like me clearly identify or address and others are oblivious to. It is much more than language or specific words.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, we don't need a rules change, we just need officials to address it rather than sweep it under the rug so they can avoid making an unpopular decision.

A lot of officials cannot identify things to even address them. When you have never been in a culture or exposed yourself in social situation, you often would have no idea what to do if you have little exposure to it. Like I said before, not all offensive language are the words we think they are and not all actions or things that get a reaction are the same either.

Peace

[Hugh Refner]

You know what might make a good poll here - should the FED switch to 16 minute halves instead of quarters. I would support that.