Down goes player.

[JetMetFan]

OOB violation. That's just the way life goes. You didn't have any issues, which is good, but in the long run we can only get in trouble when we ignore obvious calls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

OOB violation. That's just the way life goes. You didn't have any issues, which is good, but in the long run we can only get in trouble when we ignore obvious calls.

We can only get in trouble? Trouble with whom?

I got that some would not do this and I am fine with that part, but let us not act like we are going to get in trouble with anyone seriously.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We can only get in trouble? Trouble with whom?

I got that some would not do this and I am fine with that part, but let us not act like we are going to get in trouble with anyone seriously.

Peace

We can get into trouble with coaches, though you didn't which is a good thing.

We can get into trouble with assignors.

We can get into trouble with observers.

Obviously you didn't have any problems in the situation so that's great but if someone who "matters" - for lack of a better term - is watching, they might not look upon the charity as a positive.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

We can get into trouble with coaches, though you didn't which is a good thing.

Wouldn't care one bit.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

We can get into trouble with assignors.

Could, but doubt it.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

We can get into trouble with observers.

Probably, but just put it on the list.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Obviously you didn't have any problems in the situation so that's great but if someone who "matters" - for lack of a better term - is watching, they might not look upon the charity as a positive.

And they might not care either. But if they do they would have to show me a rule that says I can't.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

We can get into trouble with coaches, though you didn't which is a good thing.

We can get into trouble with assignors.

We can get into trouble with observers.

Obviously you didn't have any problems in the situation so that's great but if someone who "matters" - for lack of a better term - is watching, they might not look upon the charity as a positive.

I think sometimes we worry too much about what coaches, assignors, and evaluators think. Some people on this forum seem to make every call while thinking of what someone else is going to think.

I doubt anyone, in reality, is going to notice or care what Jeff did here. It was one call in a meaningless situation. That said, I probably would've called it as it was. I'm not fast enough to make stuff up on the fly. Although we could have a great discussion on out of bounds calls where a bump is ignored in exchange for giving the "right" team the ball.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I think sometimes we worry too much about what coaches, assignors, and evaluators think. Some people on this forum seem to make every call while thinking of what someone else is going to think.

I doubt anyone, in reality, is going to notice or care what Jeff did here. It was one call in a meaningless situation. That said, I probably would've called it as it was. I'm not fast enough to make stuff up on the fly. Although we could have a great discussion on out of bounds calls where a bump is ignored in exchange for giving the "right" team the ball.

Rich, I'm not saying we should go onto the court worrying about what others think. There's no way we can officiate effectively that way. That being said I was reminded early on that we never know who's watching us.

At any rate, my point was on par with what JugglingRef said...just call what's there. Sometimes stuff happens.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Rich, I'm not saying we should go onto the court worrying about what others think. There's no way we can officiate effectively that way. That being said I was reminded early on that we never know who's watching us.

At any rate, my point was on par with what JugglingRef said...just call what's there. Sometimes stuff happens.

That is an absolute true statement. You do never know who is around. But the reality is there is no rule that covers this at all. I asked and I did not get a single rule that says what you do if an official interfere with the players. This was not an out of bounds situation where the player was not obstructed. And if the throw was not on the way when the kid fell I might have done something totally different. Again this has never happened to me in all the games I have worked during the regular season and in the off season. And at the point I am at in my career, I doubt there would have been too many people at this game where I would have had to worry about what they thought. And if they did not like it, they would tell me and I would listen. But it is overplayed to suggest that I did not follow a rule when this is not covered specifically and what 2-3 is for in the first place. I would have been OK with going with an out of bounds call completely in a close game or a game that had any question of the outcome. But this team was not going to beat this ranked team with only a couple of minutes left to go and it would not have mattered. We all laughed about it in the locker room and one of my partners was a State Final did not agree with the call, but he felt the way I handled it was fine. And there was a crew that followed us and that was some ribbing about the situation from them as well.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is an absolute true statement. You do never know who is around. But the reality is there is no rule that covers this at all. I asked and I did not get a single rule that says what you do if an official interfere with the players. This was not an out of bounds situation where the player was not obstructed. And if the throw was not on the way when the kid fell I might have done something totally different. Again this has never happened to me in all the games I have worked during the regular season and in the off season. And at the point I am at in my career, I doubt there would have been too many people at this game where I would have had to worry about what they thought. And if they did not like it, they would tell me and I would listen. But it is overplayed to suggest that I did not follow a rule when this is not covered specifically and what 2-3 is for in the first place. I would have been OK with going with an out of bounds call completely in a close game or a game that had any question of the outcome. But this team was not going to beat this ranked team with only a couple of minutes left to go and it would not have mattered. We all laughed about it in the locker room and one of my partners was a State Final did not agree with the call, but he felt the way I handled it was fine. And there was a crew that followed us and that was some ribbing about the situation from them as well.

Peace

I went back and looked at the original post and, in my opinion, what you describe isn't an official interfering with a player. You say you were in transition, the player went wide, cut back into the court and ran into you. From that description it sounds as though the player was at fault. But anyway...

You're right: there's nothing in the rules covering this situation. NFHS 4-4-4 only deals with the ball hitting the official and 2-3 gives us the right to handle whatever isn't specifically covered in the rules. However, I'm thinking the original post was made because there was some trepidation regarding the way the situation was dealt with. Even in your latest post you say one of your partners thought you handled it "fine" but didn't agree with the call and I'm going to make a guess why: what if the same situation happened with one of your partners a minute or two later for the other team? What were they supposed to do?

From what I can tell we've both been in this crazy vocation for a while and have been in/watched a lot of games. I've seen the situation you've described more than a few times at every level - heck, I was almost in it Wednesday night - and I can't say I remember the team whose player hit the deck as a pass went OOB getting the ball back, regardless of the score. Sure, 2-3 gives us latitude but I'm thinking we should apply it consistently. What if, when the situation happened, it was a 20-point game but the underdog team all of a sudden hits a bunch of threes to make it close...and the same thing happens? To me, that's where the problems I mentioned earlier pop up.

I'm sure I would've laughed about it too since I run about a 4.4 in the 10-yard dash and I had a partner almost double over as a kid nearly steamrolled me earlier this season but if the player had run into me and had a pass go over his head I would've just apologized to him and the coach.