In situation #1, I'm thinking of giving a couple of "tweet tweets" and a verbal, held ball came first partner. So I'm basically just taking the play.

In situation #3, I don't mind offering information if you have it. Ultimately, the T has the responsibility to correct it, so if you say "there was clearly a hand on the ball that caused the travel" and the T says "I don't agree". But the point would be I'm handling this in a brief, concise conference if I felt I had a great look. But very seldom have I ever had a great look from the L at a trap that took place at the 28' line.

So from prior experience of not having had great looks at those plays, I'm probably leaving #3 alone.

I'm far more likely than I used to be to offer help on these plays if I see it clearly.

Your further description of the above-the-rim play makes more sense. I'm assuming you let it go because the ball was released; but it seems to me the play should have been a held ball from the start. Isn't that T's call?

Well, in #1 if you are the T and have the ball going to the hole you should have been on top of the play and called a held ball before the L's whistle.

For #2 you still haven't explained where you were and where the calling official was. But it's possible it was just poor judgment by the calling official or it's possible there was a travel and you misread the play.

For #3, don't remember seeing a clear description until after I asked, my bad if you were clear before my post. Don't remember anybody saying to be 94' away. I know I always help on the press. As described you should have been stronger in officiating your secondary since you recognized the C was out of position and you should have came in strong with a held ball call before the C had a whistle on the play.

In fact I still don't see a clear description of #3 since you originally say you were L and T missed the call then later say you were across the court and had a clear view. :confused:

You seem to assume that everyone who is not going to throw his partner under the bus in a situation where he was NOT the primary and partner was, is looking to throw it in partners face.

In all 3 cases, why is your "great look" better than his? (Heck ... in number 3, why in the world do YOU have a great look and what were the other 7 players doing who WERE your responsibility at this moment --- you should have NO look on this play, as in - you shouldn't be looking at it!)

If you are working in a playoff game, surely your partner has earned the right to make calls in his area. If you are THAT much better that your looks from an inferior position should trump his looks from a superior position ... why is this guy on the court in a playoff game???!!!

Actually, when he popped, I & everybody else in the building just knew we'd see 2 thumbs up. When I saw the travel signal, coming over the top would not be the proper way. So I gave him the info & he corrected in less than 10 seconds. Same official as your "alley oop 3 point shot" btw!!

In situation #3, I don't mind offering information if you have it. Ultimately, the T has the responsibility to correct it, so if you say "there was clearly a hand on the ball that caused the travel" and the T says "I don't agree". But the point would be I'm handling this in a brief, concise conference if I felt I had a great look. But very seldom have I ever had a great look from the L at a trap that took place at the 28' line.

So from prior experience of not having had great looks at those plays, I'm probably leaving #3 alone.[/QUOTE]

Actually, due to the pushback in unison from an entire section on this play where he could not see the ball & the feet (which btw we shouldn't be calling travels unless you can see both of those things!) he had the look of relief on his face as I approached & again, less than 10 seconds WE got a BIG play right in a BIG game.

If any partner(s) dont agree, then it is what it is. As long as my immediate supervisor saw me attempt to provide the same info that shows up on film, Im covered! It would suck to get the call saying, "You're standing there with an open look. Did you see the held ball? Why didnt you help your team?"
"Dont expect a Sunday night email!"

1. Where is the official who calls a travel? Where are you?
If you are primary, you should have a whistle. Then it's easy to come together and discuss on the double-whistle.
There are some situations in which the secondary official can create a double-whistle purposely just to allow for help with a play and there are other situations in which it just isn't a possibility.

2. Stay out of this one. It isn't technically correct, but so many people call this a violation that the coaches and players accept it. Just let your partner live and die with his decision.

3. Definitely stay out of this one. The player with the ball is not airborne as required for one part of the held ball rule, and the other part about undue roughness is a judgment call. This could be a travel BY RULE. Just because an opponent placed a hand on the ball doesn't mean that it is a held ball. Let your partner officiate the play.

No doubt, just as I'm about to call it, he beat me to it. I cant make everyone have a patient whistle...

Please tell us why this matters?

Agreed. The more you talk the more I wonder why this guy was on the court.

Sir, your motivation is skewed. (And no supervisor I know would blast an official for not fishing in his partner's pond).

Major problem with your thinking here. It is not YOUR game! :(

Might be a true statement, but this isn't for you to decide. Officials receive postseason assignments for all sorts of reasons. That is for those who are responsible for the assignment making or the design of the selection process. If those people don't like the decisions which certain officials make, then it is up to them to change who they select or the process itself. It is not the job of any one official working the contest to go over-rule the decisions of other officials on the court. Unfortunately, that seems to be the path that you have followed.
You can't officiate the whole court. There is a reason that basketball games are not assigned with only one official.
What about plays that are unseen by you during the contest? You need to learn to let others make decisions even if you don't like them. You don't get to make every call. That's just the way it is.

To Nevada: +1
To Tref - no offense sir, but there's a word used for officials that assume their calls from far away and out of position are automatically better than calls from his partner(s) from close up and IN position... That word is "arrogant". (And at least around here, another phrase that fits is "short career".)

Everbody doesnt have a patient whistle...

He was L & I was T... didnt offer any help because they were losing anyway & no pushback from the coach. And no, the film says I got it right ;)

I think popping 1st in someone elses primary is a lack of trust. I trust you to get it right, until you dont, then help is offered.

3 Bs is the principle for calling outside of my primary:
- Be late (give them an opportunity)
- Be needed (no borderline violations)
- Be right (Im always trying to beat the film)

Grandma always said EVERYbody aint crazy. You've been around long enough to tell difference between
a. the boo of disgruntled fans because you called it on their team
b. everyone reacts negatively in unison on a kicked play.

well, at least I hope you can tell the difference!

You gotta really suck to not get a post season game in week 1 around here.

I know a few, but I better not mention any names :D

Live & die, ECA, ponds, are of the past.
Get the damn play right is where todays officiating is headed.

Maybe the T went against pre-game and didn't make the held ball call that should have been made so the L judges that A1 voluntarily let the ball drop after being capped?

You said B1 capped the ball. You say the play was up high (above the rim plays). What were you waiting on to determine whether or not is was a held ball?

Perhaps we need to discuss the held ball rule. From what I just read, this is a good defensive play and a travel is the correct call. Merely placing a hand on the ball when the player isn't airborne does NOT equate to a held ball BY RULE.

In your opinion a certain decision was correct or incorrect. I would disagree.

So you are okay erasing a violation, but not a foul? Why? What makes you believe that one can be overturned, but the other can't? What if your partner had called a foul in situation 3, when you could clearly see that the defender's hand was on the ball? Are you going to go offer information to him and tell him that it wasn't a foul?

It seems that you should do what you need to in order to get the assignments that you desire. That is between you and those who assign those contests. For your sake, I hope that they share your judgment and opinions on rules and mechanics. I know several people who don't.

Didn't you say you pregamed for the Lead to lay off above-the-rim plays? If so the play in #1 is not the Lead's call to make, it was yours. So which are we supposed to be going by in judging this play? Go by whose PCA it was or go by what was established in your pre-game? Patient whistle has nothing to do with play #1. Lead saw a player go up with ball and land with the ball. Your overly patient whistle made him look bad.

And again with #3. You say you saw that the official was straight-lined and you say you clearly saw a held ball. Why are you waiting?

Ummm okay, so you dont run the ballgames that are given you? Providing info is FAR from over-ruling, get a grip!
You should still be on a high from your C'Ship! Congrats again btw.

i'm gonna try this once more.

Up close yes, in position with backs and butts, NO!

Pretty thin line between arrogance & confidence... yes, I flirt with the line. But what else would you expect from a flirt?
Thanks for your input all, but I'm done with this, I gotta game to prepare for :D