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[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't think it is fair for a team to have to shoot into a basket where the net might be obstructing the entrance to the basket.

That's the issue: if a team shoots into that basket and the ball bounces out because the net is all messed up, that team loses 2 or 3 points since a goal doesn't count unless the ball passes through the net. Better to take care of it right when it happens.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That's the issue: if a team shoots into that basket and the ball bounces out because the net is all messed up, that team loses 2 or 3 points since a goal doesn't count unless the ball passes through the net. Better to take care of it right when it happens.

Have you ever seen that happen? Ever? Game? Warm-ups? Practice?

I've never seen it, while I have seen the ball actually go through and "un-stick" a stuck net many times.

I've been taught to never stop the game for a net because it gives the team that just scored the advantage of setting up their defense because you've stopped the game at that point. And that would happen far more times than the ball coming back out. In many of my games, while the game goes to the other end of the court, someone runs over and takes care of it. Or, there is a stoppage of play before the ball gets back to that end.

I agree, it would be a real shame if the ball ever did come back out as a result. And, thanks a lot, now it will probably happen to me.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by m&m guy

i've been taught to never stop the game for a net.....

+1

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Have you ever seen that happen? Ever? Game? Warm-ups? Practice?

I've never seen it, while I have seen the ball actually go through and "un-stick" a stuck net many times.

I've been taught to never stop the game for a net because it gives the team that just scored the advantage of setting up their defense because you've stopped the game at that point. And that would happen far more times than the ball coming back out. In many of my games, while the game goes to the other end of the court, someone runs over and takes care of it. Or, there is a stoppage of play before the ball gets back to that end.

I agree, it would be a real shame if the ball ever did come back out as a result. And, thanks a lot, now it will probably happen to me.

Yes, I've seen it. It was hung up so much that no ball was going to get through. It took a ladder to get up there and unhook it. Even a roller would be affected by the bumping the twine that is laying across the top of the rim...it may make a shot go in that would not have or it may make a shot miss that would have gone it.

The team doesn't make the net get hung up, so any advantage they get is just a part of the game. And most of the time, the other team isn't pushing the tempo while they are wanting to press anyway so stopping it has no effect at all.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, I've seen it. It was hung up so much that no ball was going to get through. It took a ladder to get up there and unhook it. Even a roller would be affected by the bumping the twine that is laying across the top of the rim...it may make a shot go in that would not have or it may make a shot miss that would have gone it.

The team doesn't make the net get hung up, so any advantage they get is just a part of the game. And most of the time, the other team isn't pushing the tempo while they are wanting to press anyway so stopping it has no effect at all.

Well, there you go - 1 isolated event in 2 officials' lifetimes. Still not enough for me to warrant stopping a game every time a net gets stuck. Especially since I haven't seen a rule, case play, or mention in the official's manual that backs stopping live play for this. Fix it during the next dead ball.

Of course, check with your local assignor or association to see if there's a policy.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I've been taught to never stop the game for a net...

Me too, but I did so once because it was the most interesting thing that happened in that game.

[constable]

Check with your assignor. Around here, our HS assignor wants us to err on the side of caution. If the game can be stopped without putting a team at a disadvantage we are instructed to do so.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by constable

Check with your assignor. Around here, our HS assignor wants us to err on the side of caution. If the game can be stopped without putting a team at a disadvantage we are instructed to do so.

But if the defender was behind the play to tie his shoe, aren't you putting A at a disadvantage by preventing what had become a 5 on 4?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

But if the defender was behind the play to tie his shoe, aren't you putting A at a disadvantage by preventing what had become a 5 on 4?

To answer your question: No. Read my first post (#11) in this thread.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I agree with Camron (another shot at your credibility, ) that the net's proper position is not hanging up on the rim and therefore can not do the job for which it is designed to do, and that is to check the ball. I think that Camron and I have a difference of opinion as to when is the correct time to stop the game to correct the equipment malfunction.

Rut is correct that Mary Struckhoff of the NFHS issued a ruling a few years ago with regard to a net hung up on a net. Without climbing up into the attic (Nevada, I am sure you can find and post her ruling for us) I believe that her ruling said, and I am paraphrasing here: If A1's successful FGA causes the net to hangup on the basket ring, the game officials should wait until Team A is again in possession of the ball before stopping the game to fix the net. The reasoning is that to stop the game immediately could stop a fast-break attempt by Team B. If my memory serves me correctly, the NCAA came out with a ruling at about the same time requiring schools to have someone at each basket that could fix the net while the ball was still in play at the other end of the court.

From a historical standpoint, over the years I have had a number of interpreters and officials, who were all considerably older than me, tell me that the NFHS and NCAA interpretation going back to the NBCUSC rules was the same ruling that Mary Struckhoof gave a few years back. I have never been able to find any written corroboration of their statements, but I have no reason to doubt them.

It is my humble opinion that this will be a problem that will always good judgement by the game officials as to when to stop the game to fix the problem so as to not deny a team a goal scoring opportunity (yikes, a soccer phrase, ).

MTD, Sr.

[truerookie]

Good discussion here, it is also a sign that the net needs to be replaced.

I'v also been taught not to stop the game to fix the net.