Consequences for ejected players by state

[Camron Rust]

By definition, the 2nd T IS Flagrant.....so you'd never be ejected without it being a Flagrant T.

Even so, Oregon doesn't distinguish between why the player was ejected.

If I understand the Oregon rules correctly, a player (or coach) is ejected, they may not participate with any team until after the next game is played by the team they were on when ejected. If a Varsity player/coach, for whatever reason, was in a JV game when ejected, they'd have to sit out of all games until after the next JV game. If the Varsity team had 3 games in between, they'd miss all 3, then miss the next JV game before they would be permitted to participate.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

By definition, the 2nd T IS Flagrant.....so you'd never be ejected without it being a Flagrant T.

I have heard people say this before but I cannot find the reference that suggests a second T is a Flagrant? What about an indirect that passes the threshold and ejects a coach (e.g. Three bench Ts)?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You'd never be ejected without it being a Flagrant T.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot find the reference that suggests a second T is a Flagrant?

Does the NFHS still use the term "ejection" for players now that players are no longer banished to the showers. Doesn't the NFHS simply use the term "disqualified"?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does the NFHS still use the term "ejection" for players now that players are no longer banished to the showers. Doesn't the NFHS simply use the term "disqualified"?

You are right, the NF does not use the term "ejection" they do have a definition for "Disqualified Player."

I know that on our Special Report the IHSA do uses the term "ejection" for the reason we file one.

But with that said, the NF Rulebook Definition does not say that a second technical foul is a flagrant foul. It says that a player is disqualified by either 5 personal fouls, two technical fouls or a flagrant foul. That is why I asked because it does not seem that they consider the second foul flagrant. I know it is not a big deal, but I think people get confused when you claim a second technical is flagrant when it just simply disqualified the player.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does the NFHS still use the term "ejection" for players now that players are no longer banished to the showers. Doesn't the NFHS simply use the term "disqualified"?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are right.

Oh my God. I don't know how to deal with this. This never happens to me. What am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to thank anybody? I didn't prepare a speech. Does my first correct post make me an esteemed member? I can't wait to call my Mom. Is a cash prize involved? Do I thank the little people who made this possible?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Oh my God. I don't know how to deal with this. This never happens to me. What am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to thank anybody? I didn't prepare a speech. Does my first correct post make me an esteemed member? I can't wait to call my Mom. Is a cash prize involved? Do I thank the little people who made this possible?

You could always ask Mark to dig in the attic and find out the last time you were right?

[SNIPERBBB]

Ohio:
Players and coaches 2 game suspension and done for the rest of the day of the contest.

Coach gets a $100 fine and has to take an online test.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are right, the NF does not use the term "ejection" they do have a definition for "Disqualified Player."

Peace

Actually, they do in a few places.

From the NFHS's rules differences chart:

Disqualification/Ejection
Players/Bench Personnel

NFHS:
Disqualification – Fifth personal
Ejection – Single flagrant; second technical


The term is also used in a few other places as well, usually when talking about bench personnel (which includes team members).

Ejection, however, doesn't imply removal from the gym in the case of team members or players, only when the ejected party is an adult.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does the NFHS still use the term "ejection" for players now that players are no longer banished to the showers. Doesn't the NFHS simply use the term "disqualified"?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are right,

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This never happens to me. Does my first correct post make me an esteemed member?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Actually,they do in a few places. Disqualification – Fifth personal. Ejection – Single flagrant; second technical.
The term is also used in a few other places as well, usually when talking about bench personnel (which includes team members). Ejection, however, doesn't imply removal from the gym in the case of team members or players, only when the ejected party is an adult.

Great? So I was wrong. Do I have to give back my esteemed member status? How long will it be until JRutledge again posts that I'm right? You all know that I'm old, and don't have too much time left on this side of the grass. I may never be right again. I already called my Mom. Would it be alright if I just left her believing that I posted a correct answer on the Forum? She's eighty-five. It would break her heart to find out that my correct answer was actually wrong. And my post was about players, not adults. Please be sympathetic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Great? So I was wrong. Do I have to give back my esteemed member status? How long will it be until JRutledge again posts that I'm right? You all know that I'm old, and don't have too much time left on this side of the grass. I may never be right again. I already called my Mom. Would it be alright if I just left her believing that I posted a correct answer on the Forum? She's eighty-five. It would break her heart to find out that my correct answer was actually wrong. And my post was about players, not adults. Please be sympathetic.

You keep making posts like this and it will take a lot longer.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have heard people say this before but I cannot find the reference that suggests a second T is a Flagrant? What about an indirect that passes the threshold and ejects a coach (e.g. Three bench Ts)?

Peace

Looks like that wording is no longer there. I'm pretty sure that, at one time, the 2nd T was considered a flagrant and that is how the disqualification for 2 T was triggered. Unlike a few here, I don't keep all my old books (When I get new ones, I donate them to others that can use them).

As far as the game administration is concerned, it is semantics. It doesn't change any part of the in-game penalty administration. I suppose, if my memory is correct, that it was changed to more equitably facilitate the various post game suspensions imposed by states....so that they can technically distinguish between flagrant acts and non-flagrant acts.

[Raymond]

I believe in VA it's a one game suspension (and $500 fine for school if its a head coach).

Suspensions are appealable and in a player's case I'm sure they take in account what actions caused the T.

I've been the "ejector" on 3 occasions, 2 HCs and 1 player. In 2 of those cases I called both T's. In all 3 cases my commissioner asked for a short report from me to pass on to the conference's principals. In all 3 cases I make it clear that I believed the culprits actions were deserving of the pending suspsension.

I want to say they was a case locally where a player received 2 Ts and one of them was for something like dunking in warmups or grasping the rim during the game or contacting the ball during a throw-in and there was a huge debate as to whether or not the suspension should be repealed. I believe he ended up serving the suspension, which was the 1 game of the district play-offs.