Defnder uncutting airborne shooter

[MiamiWadeCounty]

When a player jumps straight up for a normal jump shot and then a defender moves right under the shooter's land spot and contact occurs, this would be a defensive foul.

Can someone tell where in the NCAA and NFHS rules book does it say that this is a foul on the defender?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MiamiWadeCounty

When a player jumps straight up for a normal jump shot and then a defender moves right under the shooter's land spot and contact occurs, this would be a defensive foul.

Can someone tell where in the NCAA and NFHS rules book does it say that this is a foul on the defender?

We've basically been discussing this in another tread..."flop".

See NFHS 4-23.

An airborne shooter basically has established a path to a landing spot at the time they go airborne. Once they have done so, a defender may not move into a position on that path.

[zm1283]

I had a coach earlier this week in a GV game complain after I called his team for a foul on this exact play, then didn't call the other team for a foul when their post defender had maintained verticality on a non-airborne shooter. I guess the difference in the two was lost on him.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by MiamiWadeCounty

When a player jumps straight up for a normal jump shot and then a defender moves right under the shooter's land spot and contact occurs, this would be a defensive foul.

Can someone tell where in the NCAA and NFHS rules book does it say that this is a foul on the defender?

Blocking foul for not allowing the airborne shooter to land properly/safely.

I dare say it's among the easiest call to make.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Blocking foul for not allowing the airborne shooter to land properly/safely.

I dare say it's among the easiest call to make.

As long as you actually stay with the shooter...unlike what I did in my first year and then couldn't explain to a coach why his shooter was on the floor.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Welpe

As long as you actually stay with the shooter...unlike what I did in my first year and then couldn't explain to a coach why his shooter was on the floor.

I've been there too. I dislike that I had to learn some things the hard way.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Blocking foul for not allowing the airborne shooter to land properly/safely.

I dare say it's among the easiest call to make.

It is, and maybe it's just my area, but this play might not be getting called. I called it one game, and the coach said I was one of the only officials who actually made that call.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

It is, and maybe it's just my area, but this play might not be getting called. I called it one game, and the coach said I was one of the only officials who actually made that call.

I will say that as a whole, I don't take much grief from coaches at all when airborne shooters are fouled.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MiamiWadeCounty

When a player jumps straight up for a normal jump shot and then a defender moves right under the shooter's land spot and contact occurs, this would be a defensive foul.

Can someone tell where in the NCAA and NFHS rules book does it say that this is a foul on the defender?

For NCAA-M it's a pet peeve of John Adams, especially with 3-pt shooters.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I will say that as a whole, I don't take much grief from coaches at all when airborne shooters are fouled.

It goes both ways for me. The example I cited was more of a compliment than a criticism, but I've had to explain the rule to plenty of coaches who claimed their kid was just "boxing out".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

It is, and maybe it's just my area, but this play might not be getting called. I called it one game, and the coach said I was one of the only officials who actually made that call.

Don't believe coaches.

Originally Posted by zm1283

I had a coach earlier this week in a GV game complain after I called his team for a foul on this exact play, then didn't call the other team for a foul when their post defender had maintained verticality on a non-airborne shooter. I guess the difference in the two was lost on him.

This is common, coaches ignoring differences.

[MiamiWadeCounty]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

We've basically been discussing this in another tread..."flop".

See NFHS 4-23.

An airborne shooter basically has established a path to a landing spot at the time they go airborne. Once they have done so, a defender may not move into a position on that path.

I was thinking about NFHS 4-23, but I just wanted to make sure.

Why couldn't the NF rules book be a easy as Fiba rules book?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The is a big difference between, getting to the spot late when trying to draw a charge, and undercutting.

Getting there late is nothing more that a blocking foul and can either be a CF or PF against a player in the Act of Shooting.

Undercutting is an all together different animal. Undercutting is a deliberate attempt to seriously hurt another player. It is almost always done by the defender stepping into the airborne player's (ABP's) path with the defender having his back to the ABP so that the ABP's knees hits the defender in his back (in effect taking the ABP's feet our from under him) and causes the ABP to somersault over the defender. Undercutting should always (with J. Dallas Shirley) be considered a Flagrant Personal Foul (FPF). In fact if my memory serves me correctly, years ago, undercutting was addressed in the Rules Book as a FPF; I think it was during the NBCUSC era.

Suprisingly, I have had only one defender undercut an ABP in 41 years of officiating: a boys' H.S. jr. varsity game and this was in the late 1980's, long after the NBCUSC was split into the NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules Committees. I did not hesitate to charge him with a FPF. There was barely three feet outside the Endlines and I didn't thing the shooter was going to get up, let alone shoot his free throws. The defender's HC didn't like the call but he should have been thankful that his player had not seriously hurt the opposing player.

MTD, Sr.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

the coach said I was one of the only officials who actually made that call.

I was under the impression this was true of ALL of my calls, in all 4 sports.