Hanging on the Rim

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For rookies. Yes. I agree. For veterans. Let's debunk the myth.

It looks like Spence needed a little help on this. I'm sure that others may need a little myth debunking as well. I know that I will sometimes need some help with these changes that create such myths.

Who said there was a myth? Spence saw a play and asked if others thought the T was appropriate. It's a judgment call.

Sometimes it's your replies that cause the confusion b/c you start bringing up rulings from the 80's.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Who said there was a myth? Spence saw a play and asked if others thought the T was appropriate.

Originally Posted by Spence

No defender right under him.

Spence included, "No defender right under him", in his post. Either Spence is a veteran, or he has talked to veterans about this situation. The defender being under the "rim grasper" used to be relevant to the interpretation. It is no longer relevant to the situation, and the interpretation.

[Welpe]

Or maybe he was just describing the play.

I stand by my previous reading comprehension comment.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Or maybe he was just describing the play.

He didn't give us the uniform colors. That wasn't relevant.

He did tell us that there was a player under the dunker. Maybe he, or a partner, thought it was relevant. If it was relevant then I stand by my posts.

If it wasn't relevant, then I apologize for wasting Forum member's time with a stroll down memory lane. Maybe I'll give Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. a call tonight and we can reminisce about the good old days.

[twocentsworth]

Doug Shows called the T for three reasons:

1) Anthony Davis pulled himself up on the rim (yes....while his body was swinging).
2) John Adams (NCAA Coordinator of Officials) wants these plays called a T.
3) Doug Shows wants to be rewarded with NCAA tourney games for calling what John Adams wants.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Doug Shows called the T for three reasons:

1) Anthony Davis pulled himself up on the rim (yes....while his body was swinging).

Good call then.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Or maybe he was just describing the play.

I stand by my previous reading comprehension comment.

Exactly. While I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, rehashing rulings that *used* to be in effect 30 years ago is rarely helpful or germane to the discussion.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

While I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, rehashing rulings that used to be in effect 30 years ago is rarely helpful or germane to the discussion.

Let's ask Spence. If the defender under the dunker was relevant, or germane, to the situation, then, again, I stand by my posts. The defender being under the dunker was part of an old rule, now long gone, that may be confusing some veterans, kind of like a myth.

If Spence tells us that the defender under the dunker was just some extraneous information, like a uniform color, then I will stand by my apology.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's ask Spence. If the defender under the dunker was relevant, or germane, to the situation, then, again, I stand by my posts. The defender being under the dunker was part of an old rule, now long gone, that may be confusing some veterans, kind of like a myth.

If Spence tells us that the defender under the dunker was just some extraneous information, like a uniform color, then I will stand by my apology.

Egads. Just forget it, I really don't care.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Does that matter now?

Originally Posted by Welpe

Perhaps, or maybe it would just confuse the issue even more.

Originally Posted by Welpe

Good grief.

Originally Posted by Welpe

Or maybe he was just describing the play. I stand by my previous reading comprehension comment.

Originally Posted by Welpe

Egads. Just forget it, I really don't care.

You don't?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Spence

... Momentum causes his body legs fly out ahead of him while dunking. No defender right under him. Do we allow him to hang on the rim to get his balance?

T was called in the Kentucky game.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's ask Spence. If the defender under the dunker was relevant, or germane, to the situation, then, again, I stand by my posts. The defender being under the dunker was part of an old rule, now long gone, that may be confusing some veterans, kind of like a myth.

If Spence tells us that the defender under the dunker was just some extraneous information, like a uniform color, then I will stand by my apology.

Billy, you forgot to include the bolded part of Spence's post which, IMO, speaks to player safety. Like I said before, just b/c he's asking about this play doesn't mean there is a myth. Maybe he's wondering if "safety" includes "getting his balance"?

Now as to this play itself, judgment call. I don't necessarily agree with the call based on this video but I wasn't there and I'm definitely not toting around Doug Shows resume'.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Spence

A1 dunks on a breakaway. Momentum causes his body legs fly out ahead of him while dunking. No defender right under him. Do we allow him to hang on the rim to get his balance?

Twenty years ago, I believe that the answer would have been, "No, we do not allow him to hang on the rim because there is no other player right under him, thus, charge a technical foul".

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Billy, you forgot to include the bolded part of Spence's post which speaks to player safety. Like I said before, just b/c he's asking about this play doesn't mean there is a myth. Maybe he's wondering if "safety" includes "getting his balance"?

Fast forward to today. Now the answer is, "Yes. We do allow him to hang on the rim because it's legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself, or herself, or another player, thus, no technical foul is charged."

Where are Spence, and Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., when you need them? Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is always underfoot, bothering us, until we really need him, and then, he's taking a nap somewhere.

Now, where are my car keys? I have a game tonight.