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Spence Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:31pm

Hanging on the Rim
 
A1 dunks on a breakaway. Momentum causes his body legs fly out ahead of him while dunking. No defender right under him. Do we allow him to hang on the rim to get his balance?

T was called in the Kentucky game.

JetMetFan Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:05am

It depends
 
NCAA and NFHS both say a player can grasp the ring to prevent injury. It doesn't matter in either code whether another player is around. It's all up to the judgment of the official.

fortmoney Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:16am

Saw the play, thought it was a poor call

Blindolbat Wed Feb 22, 2012 03:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fortmoney (Post 826465)
Saw the play, thought it was a poor call

Agreed.

JugglingReferee Wed Feb 22, 2012 04:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 826451)
A1 dunks on a breakaway. Momentum causes his body legs fly out ahead of him while dunking. No defender right under him. Do we allow him to hang on the rim to get his balance?

T was called in the Kentucky game.

Yes.

I saw the recap on TSN and I would have passed.

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:49am

Dunkin Donuts ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 826463)
It doesn't matter in either code whether another player is around.

Did it ever matter? About twenty-five years ago, didn't the NFHS exception have something to do with a player underneath the dunker? I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to confirm, or deny, my statement. He probably taking his midmorning nap about now.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826523)
Did it ever matter?

Does that matter now?

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:59am

Those Who Don't Know History Are Destined To Repeat It (Edmund Burke) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826525)
Does that matter now?

Yes it does. It would explain the confusion about the myth that there must be a player under the dunker to allow the dunker to grasp the rim.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826529)
It would explain the confusion about the myth...

Perhaps...or maybe it would just confuse the issue even more.

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:26am

Misty Water Colored Memories ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826533)
Perhaps...or maybe it would just confuse the issue even more.

For rookies. Yes. I agree. For veterans. Let's debunk the myth.

It looks like Spence needed a little help on this. I'm sure that others may need a little myth debunking as well. I know that I will sometimes need some help with these changes that create such myths.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:36am

Good grief.

Adam Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826542)
For rookies. Yes. I agree. For veterans. Let's debunk the myth.

Add it to your book.

Raymond Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826542)
For rookies. Yes. I agree. For veterans. Let's debunk the myth.

It looks like Spence needed a little help on this. I'm sure that others may need a little myth debunking as well. I know that I will sometimes need some help with these changes that create such myths.

Who said there was a myth? Spence saw a play and asked if others thought the T was appropriate. It's a judgment call.

Sometimes it's your replies that cause the confusion b/c you start bringing up rulings from the 80's.

BillyMac Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:23am

Rule Changes Can Be A Bit*h ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 826570)
Who said there was a myth? Spence saw a play and asked if others thought the T was appropriate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 826451)
No defender right under him.

Spence included, "No defender right under him", in his post. Either Spence is a veteran, or he has talked to veterans about this situation. The defender being under the "rim grasper" used to be relevant to the interpretation. It is no longer relevant to the situation, and the interpretation.

Welpe Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:26am

Or maybe he was just describing the play.

I stand by my previous reading comprehension comment.


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