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[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It has happened to all of us. B1 flops to the floor without contact and A1 lands hitting some part of B1's body.

I haven't but I'm not work at a level yet where I'm as likely to see this.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

To summarize: Just because a ruling doesn't feel right on a play, doesn't mean we are to ignore the rule.

Ignoring rules is one thing but if one feels they are applying the rule correctly...

I think the Elmer's truck is coming around the corner.

[Scrapper1]

May I please just take a moment to say how happy and proud I am that there have been 145+ posts since I went public with my "minority opinion"?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

May I please just take a moment to say how happy and proud I am that there have been 145+ posts since I went public with my "minority opinion"?

Yes you may.

Now, shut up.

[Welpe]

Scrappy gets an agitator medal me thinks.

Good discussion all, I for one, appreciate it.

[Camron Rust]

One fundamental point....if the rule doesn't say you can't do it, then it is legal. The only thing the rule (and related cases) prohibits is moving into the path. It places no further restrictions on the defender. The only way you get to that is to add a stipulation where there is none. But under the basic principle of legal unless prohibited, you can't do that.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

One fundamental point....if the rule doesn't say you can't do it, then it is legal. The only think the rule (and related cases) prohibits is moving into the path. It places no further restrictions on the defender. The only way you get to that is to add a stipulation where there is none. But under the basic principle of legal unless prohibited, you can't do that.

Not necessarily, and you know that. Do the rules state specifically that a player cannot get down on all fours and bark like a dog to distract the other team? Do the rules specifically prohibit a player from putting the ball in their shirt, doing a hand stand, then walking on their hands on the court? Using your "basic principle of legal unless prohibited", these are legal plays.

All that aside, the rule about guarding an airborne player is pretty specific - the defender must get to a legal spot before the player is airborne. You and I disagree as to whether the defender can move after the player is airborne. Until we get definite direction, we will have to agree to disagree. The Elmer's truck is waiting for me.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Not necessarily, and you know that. Do the rules state specifically that a player cannot get down on all fours and bark like a dog to distract the other team? Do the rules specifically prohibit a player from putting the ball in their shirt, doing a hand stand, then walking on their hands on the court? Using your "basic principle of legal unless prohibited", these are legal plays.

Yes, they do prohibit such actions for those that can comprehend concepts vs. needing an endless list random possibilities.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

All that aside, the rule about guarding an airborne player is pretty specific - the defender must get to a legal spot before the player is airborne. You and I disagree as to whether the defender can move after the player is airborne. Until we get definite direction, we will have to agree to disagree. The Elmer's truck is waiting for me.

No, you can't change the word like like...nowhere does it say they must get "a spot". The rules say they must get a spot "into the path"/"in the path", not to "A" single spot.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, you can't change the word like like...nowhere does it say they must get "a spot". The rules say they must get a spot "into the path"/"in the path", not to "A" single spot.

...sigh...Please quote me (the rules) 4-23-4(b) and 4-23-5(d).

Also, please quote case play 10.6.1 Sit A.