Creighton/Long Beach St.

[constable]

Not familiar with NCAA mechanics but to me I don't like the trails position there which undoubtedly lead to the kicked call.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by constable

Not familiar with NCAA mechanics but to me I don't like the trails position there which undoubtedly lead to the kicked call.

This was either a steal or a rebound and a push up the court. T got to where he could get -- and the mechanics here would be the same as in FED, and the T isn FED would be in (about) the same spot.

[BillyMac]

Would the correct call have been a little easier to make if there was a "real" division line, not a "shadow" division line, running through the jump ball circle.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Would the correct call have been a little easier to make if there was a "real" division line, not a "shadow" division line, running through the jump ball circle.

How much easier does the call need to be? The ball didn't even come close to touching in the frontcourt!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How much easier does the call need to be?

Just a little.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How much easier does the call need to be? The ball didn't even come close to touching in the frontcourt!

Sometimes I think that 3-person mechanics need to be a little more flexible to give the C more responsibility on backcourt violations in transition. That said, this one wasn't even close.

[Camron Rust]

There are many here (perhaps a majority) who think the C, even if they thought differently, should stay out of it. We went through a parallel situation a few months ago and many (perhaps most) said the C should not step in.

Their thinking was that the C can't know whether the T thought the player has crossed the line or simply missed the rule....as such, since it could be a question of judgment, they see that as overriding a judgement to step in and thought the C should stay away.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are many here (perhaps a majority) who think the C, even if they thought differently, should stay out of it. We went through a parallel situation a few months ago and many (perhaps most) said the C should not step in.

Their thinking was that the C can't know whether the T thought the player has crossed the line or simply missed the rule....as such, they see that as overriding a judgement to step in and thought the C should stay away.

if the C has DEFINITIVE knowledge, you BETTER come in and get the call right at this point in the game....if an official purposely stays away from a call like this in a game-changing moment - then you've got other issues that mean you probably shouldn't be working on that assignment.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are many here (perhaps a majority) who think the C, even if they thought differently, should stay out of it. We went through a parallel situation a few months ago and many (perhaps most) said the C should not step in.

Their thinking was that the C can't know whether the T thought the player has crossed the line or simply missed the rule....as such, since it could be a question of judgment, they see that as overriding a judgement to step in and thought the C should stay away.

When it comes to rule interpretation, I truly believe any official should come in and assist (provide information) on the call. Once, you have provided the information you have done your job. IMO.

I will go as far to say these same officials will probably say:
It's ok to go without a lanyard.
It's ok not to blow your whistle to bring in substitutions.

These are my opinions and my opinions only!!!

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are many here (perhaps a majority) who think the C, even if they thought differently, should stay out of it. We went through a parallel situation a few months ago and many (perhaps most) said the C should not step in.

Their thinking was that the C can't know whether the T thought the player has crossed the line or simply missed the rule....as such, since it could be a question of judgment, they see that as overriding a judgement to step in and thought the C should stay away.

I think on this play, with the miss being so egregious (at least in an official's eyes), if the C had definite information, then he has to go to his partner and provide information. I wouldn't really view this as a judgement call like say a foul...this one is pretty black and white. The dribbler has to have all three points in the frontcourt...not a lot of "judgement" in that.