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Dribble or not

Can a player place the ball on the floor beside him/her ,then pick up the ball and start to dribble
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 04:10pm
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Can a player place the ball on the floor beside him/her ,then pick up the ball and start to dribble
What did the player do while the ball was on the floor?
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 04:22pm
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Can a player place the ball on the floor beside him/her ,then pick up the ball and start to dribble
No. And who would do that?
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 04:24pm
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No. And who would do that?
The Globetrotters?
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 04:27pm
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No. And who would do that?
Why not? Wouldn't this be classified a fumble?

Can fumble-dribble-fumble, correct?
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 04:29pm
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Why not? Wouldn't this be classified a fumble?

Can fumble-dribble-fumble, correct?
Isnt a fumble done accidentaly? The OP sounds as if the player placed the ball down on purpose. Not saying this is illegal, just that it isnt a fumble.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 04:34pm
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Isnt a fumble done accidentaly? The OP sounds as if the player placed the ball down on purpose. Not saying this is illegal, just that it isnt a fumble.
It's also not a dribble, so I'm not sure what would prevent it provided the player doesn't do something else illegal (such as get up or move the pivot foot) while the ball is on the floor.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 04:36pm
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It's also not a dribble, so I'm not sure what would prevent it provided the player doesn't do something else illegal (such as get up or move the pivot foot) while the ball is on the floor.
I agree... until bob provides some proof, that is.
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Old Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:45pm
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Assuming a player is on the floor:

Set the ball down, get up, pick up the ball and start dribbling: TRAVEL.

Set the ball down, roll over, pick up the ball and start dribbling: LEGAL.
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Old Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:32pm
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Assuming a player is on the floor:

Set the ball down, get up, pick up the ball and start dribbling: TRAVEL.

Set the ball down, roll over, pick up the ball and start dribbling: LEGAL.
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4.44.5 SITUATION B:

A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without *violating?

RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is *traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)
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Old Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:39pm
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4.44.5 SITUATION B:

A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without *violating?

RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is *traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)
Right, you're agreeing with me.

In my second case, the player does NOT get up.
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Old Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:48pm
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Wouldn't the player have to rollover again to pickup the ball?
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Old Fri Feb 17, 2012, 04:46pm
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Assuming a player is on the floor:

Set the ball down, get up, pick up the ball and start dribbling: TRAVEL.

Set the ball down, roll over, pick up the ball and start dribbling: LEGAL.
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Right, you're agreeing with me.

In my second case, the player does NOT get up.

Maybe so, but that case is establishing the principle that a player is not allowed to subvert the travel rule by setting the ball down on the floor then moving in a way to gain an advantage (i.e., get a more advantageous position) that would be traveling had they continued to hold the ball.

If they set the ball down, roll over, then pick it back up in a position that is more favorable, I'm calling traveling.
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Is this situation legal or not
the player is standing up , and just puts the ball on the floor with no defense around guarding

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Is this situation legal or not
the player is standing up , and just puts the ball on the floor with no defense around guarding
Huh? Missing some elements of what I think you are asking plus adding one that has nothing to do with the play.

Are you asking if a player who is sitting down can put the ball on the floor, stand up, and then pick up the ball again? The "defense" part is irrelavent.
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