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Old Wed Feb 15, 2012, 11:44pm
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Bad News Ref, That's exactly what I asked him. He wasn't going to let her in after the 2nd free throw either. He was positive the clock had to run first. It was a blowout game so I wasn't going to argue with him. We work again tomorrow night in a sub district final so I wanted to act like I knew what I was talking about. Thanks for the feedback.
He's working in a sub-district final and doesn't understand when he can/can't bring in subs? Not good.

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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:39am
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I posted that same play about 5-6 years ago. My partners did not know the correct procedure.This partner has now done many post season work, high profile Holiday Tournaments as well as working the State final game. She was rewarded as the top female official in the State.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:44am
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Some common sense please

Wellmer, ask your partner next time (gulp, in pre-game prior to a sub-district final) what he would have done in the original sitch if the Home team ran a sub to the table in between free throws. Your telling me he's gonna hold visitors sub there but let home player enter?
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:11am
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Wellmer, ask your partner next time (gulp, in pre-game prior to a sub-district final) what he would have done in the original sitch if the Home team ran a sub to the table in between free throws. Your telling me he's gonna hold visitors sub there but let home player enter?
Uh um...see below.

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You are correct but there is no specific case play that covers your situation. Rule 3-3-1c covers substitutions during free throws. The substitute meets those requirements. The ball became live with the first free throw as you said and the sub had properly reported to the table before the 2nd free throw. The time-out is no longer relevant.

Ask your partner this, in this situation would he deny a sub who reported to the table after the first free throw ended and before the 2nd free throw was administered?
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Bad News Ref, That's exactly what I asked him. He wasn't going to let her in after the 2nd free throw either. He was positive the clock had to run first. It was a blowout game so I wasn't going to argue with him. We work again tomorrow night in a sub district final so I wanted to act like I knew what I was talking about. Thanks for the feedback.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:24am
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This is a veteren official we are talking about, so that's why its a head scratcher. I wish the case book would have this example somewhere. The only thing I can think of that's causing the confusion is when a sub comes out and then tries to re-enter for whatever reason, before the clock starts. In that case, the clock does have to start before they can come back in.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:26am
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@ letmeplay I am the poster child for "common sense" officiating, that's why this one has me baffled.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:48am
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This is a veteren official we are talking about, so that's why its a head scratcher.
Veteran Official != Official that knows the rules
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:10am
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Veteran Official != Official that knows the rules
Nerd.

Use ≠

Nevermind, that's no better.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:16am
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Nerd.
That's geek to you.
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Old Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:56pm
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My bad

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Uh um...see below.
I guess all I can say is...I concur with you my man!
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