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Tebo2526 Thu Feb 16, 2012 03:03pm

Illegal Lane Entry
 
What is the official ruling on entering the lane during FT attempts. I know you can't after the shooter has been given the ball but what if the shooter sees a teammate heading in and the official doesn't, and quietly steps aside as he is thrown the ball. In other words, the ball just bounds right past him? Sounds strange I know, but I saw it happen. Still called a violation which I assume is right.

mbyron Thu Feb 16, 2012 03:07pm

Don't assume.

Adam Thu Feb 16, 2012 03:20pm

I'm calling this a violation on the shooter.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 16, 2012 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by Tebo2526 (Post 824774)
What is the official ruling on entering the lane during FT attempts. I know you can't after the shooter has been given the ball but what if the shooter sees a teammate heading in and the official doesn't, and quietly steps aside as he is thrown the ball. In other words, the ball just bounds right past him? Sounds strange I know, but I saw it happen. Still called a violation which I assume is right.

At what point does the restriction on entering (or leaving) begin? How is that point determined?

That will give you your answer.

Toren Thu Feb 16, 2012 04:46pm

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Originally Posted by Tebo2526 (Post 824774)
What is the official ruling on entering the lane during FT attempts. I know you can't after the shooter has been given the ball but what if the shooter sees a teammate heading in and the official doesn't, and quietly steps aside as he is thrown the ball. In other words, the ball just bounds right past him? Sounds strange I know, but I saw it happen. Still called a violation which I assume is right.

Did he move completely out of the semi-circle? Just asking cause that isn't a violation, it's a T.

Adam Thu Feb 16, 2012 04:58pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 824849)
Did he move completely out of the semi-circle? Just asking cause that isn't a violation, it's a T.

Even if he stays in the circle, I see this as the best example of 10-3-5a that I can think of.

Calling the violation is giving the shooting team a break, IMO.

Tebo2526 Thu Feb 16, 2012 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 824849)
Did he move completely out of the semi-circle? Just asking cause that isn't a violation, it's a T.

No, just took a step to his right and let the pass from the official go right past him.

Adam Thu Feb 16, 2012 05:05pm

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Originally Posted by Tebo2526 (Post 824854)
No, just took a step to his right and let the pass from the official go right past him.

T for preventing the ball from being made live (10-3-5A).

Nevadaref Thu Feb 16, 2012 05:17pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 824855)
T for preventing the ball from being made live (10-3-5A).

This is not correct. The technical foul rule which you cite isn't appropriate for this particular action.

There is a play ruling stating that the official should place the ball on the floor at the FT line if the thrower refuses to accept it. The ball would become live at that point.

There is no violation prior to the ball becoming live.

Adam Thu Feb 16, 2012 05:21pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 824861)
This is not correct. The technical foul rule which you cite isn't appropriate for this particular action.

There is a play ruling stating that the official should place the ball on the floor at the FT line if the thrower refuses to accept it. The ball would become live at that point.

There is no violation prior to the ball becoming live.

So it's a T if the shooter isn't there (10.3.5), but if he's there and pointedly refuses the ball, you just chase down the bouncing ball, give him a finger wag, and issue your do-over? Meanwhile, team A has benefited by allowing A2 extra time to get into the lane.

Where's the play? (Not that I don't believe you, but well, you know....)

Nevadaref Thu Feb 16, 2012 05:26pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 824864)
So it's a T if the shooter isn't there (10.3.5), but if he's there and pointedly refuses the ball, you just chase down the bouncing ball, give him a finger wag, and issue your do-over? Meanwhile, team A has benefited by allowing A2 extra time to get into the lane.

Where's the play? (Not that I don't believe you, but well, you know....)


PLACING AT DISPOSAL
8.1.1 SITUATION A:
A1 is awarded two free throws. After the players have had
sufficient opportunity and time to take their positions for the first throw, the
administering official bounces the ball to the free thrower. Did the official follow
proper procedure?
RULING: Yes. On free throws, the word “disposal,” is interpreted
to mean that the official shall bounce the ball to the free thrower, but if the

free thrower refuses to accept it, the official may place the ball on the floor at the
free-throw line and begin the count. This procedure constitutes putting the ball at
the free-thrower’s disposal. However, in this situation, the ball becomes live when
it is caught by the free thrower. (4-4-7b)

BillyMac Thu Feb 16, 2012 06:43pm

It's The Same As Not Listening To bob ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 824864)
Where's the play? (Not that I don't believe you, but well, you know.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 824869)

PLACING AT DISPOSAL
8.1.1 SITUATION A:
A1 is awarded two free throws. After the players have had
sufficient opportunity and time to take their positions for the first throw, the
administering official bounces the ball to the free thrower. Did the official follow
proper procedure?
RULING: Yes. On free throws, the word “disposal,” is interpreted
to mean that the official shall bounce the ball to the free thrower, but if the

free thrower refuses to accept it, the official may place the ball on the floor at the
free-throw line and begin the count. This procedure constitutes putting the ball at
the free-thrower’s disposal. However, in this situation, the ball becomes live when
it is caught by the free thrower. (4-4-7b)

Snaqwells: You dare to question the "Forum Citation King". Nevaderef spends all of his free time reading caseplays, incluing caseplays from twenty years ago.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Feb 16, 2012 08:57pm

Nevada references the appropriate NFHS Casebook Play, but the key word in the highlighted sections is "may". The word "may" is does not mean the Game official "shall" place the ball at the free throw line.

The CBP says that the Shooter "refuses" to accept the ball from the Administering Official. It is one thing for the Shooter to look at the Official and tell him he doesn't want the ball, but it is a completely different thing for the Shooter to make a deliberate effort to aviod catching the ball after the Official has released the ball on his pass to the Shooter. A few years ago I had a shooter turn around and walk completely out of the Free Throw Circle to talk to a teammate when I was ready to pass the ball to him; that was a TF then and it would be a TF today.

MTD, Sr.

Damian Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:18pm

You're missing the point
 
If you are throwing the ball to the shooter while a teammate is coming in to a lane space, you must not be paying attention.

Get the ball back even if the shooter catches it and let him come in.

BktBallRef Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian (Post 824993)
If you are throwing the ball to the shooter while a teammate is coming in to a lane space, you must not be paying attention.

Get the ball back even if the shooter catches it and let him come in.

Excuse me but it's usually the players who are not paying attention.

The OP said he was "heading in," not that he had already entered the arc. If I give the players an opportunity, bounce the ball and he then enters, he's getting a violation.


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