Set shot - act of shooting

[MelbRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed.

By RULE, the player is not an airborne shooter, and the foul should be a common foul.

As APPLIED, though, as long as the player is still finishing her (or, sometimes, his) shooting motion (a term undefined in the rule book), the expected call is a shooting foul.

Interesting...."shooting motion".
Bear with me....
So as you apply it, what concludes the shooting motion?
The ball is released...the shooter follow thru...etc.
At what point does the contact change from a shooting foul to a normal personal foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MelbRef

Interesting...."shooting motion".
Bear with me....
So as you apply it, what concludes the shooting motion?
The ball is released...the shooter follow thru...etc.
At what point does the contact change from a shooting foul to a normal personal foul?

The act of shooting ends when both the shot has left the hand AND the shooter has returned to the floor.

In the case of a set shot, it is not really any different. When the ball has left the hand and the shooter is on the floor, the act of shooting is over. Since they never left the floor, the act ends when the shot ends when the try is released.

There really is nothing else to protect the shooter from with regards to the act of shooting. The "follow through" means absolutely nothing and contact in that part of a "shot" has absolutely NO effect on the shot despite some shooters insisting that it does.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by MelbRef

Interesting...."shooting motion".
Bear with me....
So as you apply it, what concludes the shooting motion?
The ball is released...the shooter follow thru...etc.
At what point does the contact change from a shooting foul to a normal personal foul?

My take to your question is found in the rule 4-41-1 where it says "the act of shooting ends when the ball is clearly in flight", meaning there is absolutely no doubt in the official's mind that the ball has left the player's hand. If there is doubt, then rule the player was still in the act.

[Sharpshooternes]

Sounds about right

[Amesman]

Had one along these lines this weekend. Boys soph. A2 catches rebound (flat-footed on the ground), almost in triple-threat position, ball about shoulder height — actually commendable he doesn't lower the ball much (says this old coach). Of course he's going to put it back up, but he's not doing it yet and has clearly hesitated.

Whack comes B2 on the arm ... tweet ... pause ... then up goes the flick of the shot. I had them inbounding on the endline and sold it so nobody on the floor complained (other than the HC who "helped" us much of the game). Kind of disjointed play. Partner said later he would have given the two FTAs based on the "gathering" principle. Except the ball wasn't moving or being gathered.

In retrospect, it would have been easy to just give the FTAs. Did I totally kick it or have much justification for the way it was handled?

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Had one along these lines this weekend. Boys soph. A2 catches rebound (flat-footed on the ground), almost in triple-threat position, ball about shoulder height — actually commendable he doesn't lower the ball much (says this old coach). Of course he's going to put it back up, but he's not doing it yet and has clearly hesitated.

Whack comes B2 on the arm ... tweet ... pause ... then up goes the flick of the shot. I had them inbounding on the endline and sold it so nobody on the floor complained (other than the HC who "helped" us much of the game). Kind of disjointed play. Partner said later he would have given the two FTAs based on the "gathering" principle. Except the ball wasn't moving or being gathered.

In retrospect, it would have been easy to just give the FTAs. Did I totally kick it or have much justification for the way it was handled?

From the way you described it, sounds like the kid is standing like a zombie with no intent to shoot until the whistle snaps him back into reality. I believe the call could have gone either way. If I don't see an actual habitual shooting motion begin, then I would agree with your call. Wish APG had a clip for us, as its really a HTBT situation. I wouldn't sweat the fact that you and your partner don't agree. A lot of the calls we make depend on our angle on the play. Different positions observing the same play can definitely show different contact. Good topic for discussion.