Lanyard or No lanyard

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by wvumpire1807

you are full of crap. i was askig for advice, not a judgement.

You are getting advice and just choosing not to see or hear it!

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

You are getting advice and just choosing not to see or hear it!

He wasn't getting advice. He was getting a response from fullor30 that essentially said: your answer to me is a lie...I don't believe u. (fullor30 did this twice!)

Listening (or in this chat room case - reading) is a skill...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

He wasn't getting advice. He was getting a response from fullor30 that essentially said: your answer to me is a lie...I don't believe u. (fullor30 did this twice!)

Listening (or in this chat room case - reading) is a skill...

Oh, I don't know. Part of the advice he got was, "Maybe the coach is right."

If it's not affecting assignments, it doesn't matter.

OTOH, he might want to know how it looks to other officials (who may agree with the coach's sentiment, if not his precise words.)

[Rich]

I know there's a guy around here who works like this.

It draws attention to him, IMO, unnecessarily -- from other officials and probably other people, as well. To me, that's a good enough reason to reconsider doing this.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I know there's a guy around here who works like this.

It draws attention to him, IMO, unnecessarily -- from other officials and probably other people, as well. To me, that's a good enough reason to reconsider doing this.

All wise cracks aside, my thinking.

[Tim C]

Those of us that started doing baseketball in the 1960's had a great example to follow: Mendy Rudolph

Of course he used a "finger whistle" -- the philosophy in those days was if your whistle was not in your mouth then you would not make calls to quickly.

I do believe with all the training we get there is no need for a finger whistle. There is no need ever for a "palmed whistle."

This thread is an example of how many, many threads go.

OP asks for opinions and when the opinions are not supportive the poster gets defensive then nasty.

I always give the same advice: When it is you against the world I always take the world.

T

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

He wasn't getting advice. He was getting a response from fullor30 that essentially said: your answer to me is a lie...I don't believe u. (fullor30 did this twice!)

Listening (or in this chat room case - reading) is a skill...

Here are the first four responses to his request. They all appear to give some form of advice! You need to be able to do more than read...you need to comprehend what you are reading.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I would simply say, "Thanks for your opinion" and move on. Whether or not you wear a lanyard is none of a coach's concern -- no more so than if he wears a tie should be of concern to his officials.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Change "coach" to "my supervisor/my mentor/observer/offcial I look up to/top official in my association" then it's something I would worry about.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

If a coach is the only one saying something to you then I would completely disregard it. As others have said, if it's an assigner or supervisor then it's something to worry about.

I have tried going no lanyard but I'm much more comfortable with one. And the VHSL has said it's mandatory for high school games in VA.

But if it's not an issue with the powers that be in your area, I wouldn't spend a single second worrying about what one coach had to say.

[tomegun]

I have went without a lanyard, but not during high school or college games. I don't really care one way or another. I know more officials who look dorky running and giving their signals. That bothers me more than the officials I know locally that don't wear a lanyard.

BTW, an official will not lose games in Southern Nevada for not wearing a lanyard (our association president doesn't wear one). In the list of things officials do, this is smaller than an ant provided the officials aren't constantly dropping the whistle.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Here are the first four responses to his request. They all appear to give some form of advice! You need to be able to do more than read...you need to comprehend what you are reading.

Did u actually read the part of my post that said: "he was getting a response from fullor30..."?

Apparently not! Otherwise u would know that I was SPECIFICALLY referencing THAT post.

You're just like coaches who take my words & try to twist them into something entirely different than what I said.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

...You're just like coaches who take my words & try to twist them into something entirely different than what I said.

That would be an indication that you are using too many words when interacting with coaches.

[Rob1968]

Back to the original subject . . . I try to make the routine things in my life, routine, so I can put my concentration on those things that require more thought, expertise, and concentration.
So, I've never thought of working a game without a lanyard. It's expected, in my area. It makes it easy to "hit it and spit it." I can use my voice, when needed, and can always put the whistle back in my mouth, if I need to.

[Scuba_ref]

Not sure how this is interpreted as word twisting. I was simply pointing out that where advice was asked for, advice was given.

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Did u actually read the part of my post that said: "he was getting a response from fullor30..."?

Apparently not! Otherwise u would know that I was SPECIFICALLY referencing THAT post.

You're just like coaches who take my words & try to twist them into something entirely different than what I said.

You wrote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

He wasn't getting advice. He was getting a response from fullor30 that essentially said: your answer to me is a lie...I don't believe u. (fullor30 did this twice!)

Listening (or in this chat room case - reading) is a skill...

I responded:

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Here are the first four responses to his request. They all appear to give some form of advice! You need to be able to do more than read...you need to comprehend what you are reading.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

He wasn't getting advice. He was getting a response from fullor30 that essentially said: your answer to me is a lie...I don't believe u. (fullor30 did this twice!)

Listening (or in this chat room case - reading) is a skill...

Agreed. It's one thing to say you don't agree with something or you prefer not to do something, but to question someone's motives and accuse them of trying to showboat like an NBA ref is a bit much, and the response wvu gave was certainly understandable.

I'm suprised, Scuba, that you can't tell the difference between being a jerk just to be a jerk and offering advice.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Agreed. It's one thing to say you don't agree with something or you prefer not to do something, but to question someone's motives and accuse them of trying to showboat like an NBA ref is a bit much, and the response wvu gave was certainly understandable.

I'm suprised, Scuba, that you can't tell the difference between being a jerk just to be a jerk and offering advice.

I ahve been officiating for 10 years now. 5 years ago I stopped wearing a lanyard. I have developed a system for myself to not wear one and not drop my whstle. I ahvent dropped my whistle in 4 years. Recently a coach told me i needed to wear one that it looked unprofessional. I simply replied, how come a lot of NBA and college officials dont wear one? Why wear one if it doesnt slow down the game and is comfortable to me? Any feedback would be appreciated.

Guess what I still question the motive. He even alludes to it with mention of college and NBA officials.

Are you saying that NBA refs are showboats?

Secondly "any feedback would be appreciated" He's getting what he asked for.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Secondly "any feedback would be appreciated" He's getting what he asked for.

You (in so many words) called him a liar, twice.

I doubt that's the kind of thing anyone is looking for when they sincerely ask for feedback. It was a jerk thing to say, regardless of whether or not he asked for feedback.