DOG v T

[McMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right call, but I have to ask you: when does the ball become dead?

By rule on the breaking of the plane violation, but if the breaking is immediately followed by contact with the ball or dislodging (T) or contact with the body (Int) we upgrade to the appropriate foul.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by McMac

By rule on the breaking of the plane violation, but if the breaking is immediately followed by contact with the ball or dislodging (T) or contact with the body (Int) we upgrade to the appropriate foul.

"Upgrade" is not a happy choice. We upgrade a common foul to INT or flagrant. We can't upgrade a violation to a foul: they're two completely different kinds, not different degrees of one kind.

We ignore the violation when calling the T or INT for contact with the ball/thrower.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

We ignore the violation when calling the T or INT for contact with the ball/thrower.

Not really, as breaking the plane is a violation that comes with a warning. And we give the warning (if it hasn't been given yet).

This is just a weird one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by McMac

By rule on the breaking of the plane violation, but if the breaking is immediately followed by contact with the ball or dislodging (T) or contact with the body (Int) we upgrade to the appropriate foul.

My point was the whistle is not what makes the ball dead.

Bob already said it, but if the swipe you are calling the violation for doesn't hit the ball, then just stick with the violation. If it does, then go straight to the T. Having the whistle sound prior to the actual touching of the ball helps to sell it, but isn't necessary.