Dead Ball Foul

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I started to think about B1 being still inbounds after retrieving the ball versus having obtained it and already moved OOB for the throw-in.

Despite the rule change for this season, I'd only call a foul in this case if the thrower was out-of-bounds, and then I would call an intentional personal foul.

The reason is that I would consider the ball to still be dead and not have started my throw-in count until B1 got OOB, thus the contact described would be ignored by rule, if it occurred during this dead-ball period following the goal. I wouldn't consider the action to warrant an intentional or flagrant contact technical based upon what the OP wrote.
However, once the ball is live that personal foul contact must be called and by rule must be deemed an intentional personal foul.

Since the OP stated "as he is beginning to throw the ball back in," I assumed B1 was OOB and the ball was live.

I tentatively agree with your final sentence. While Camron makes a good point, I think the point of the rule is to give the thrower an unfettered throw. Whether the player is legally OOB only means you don't add a DOG warning to the mix, IMO.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Since the OP stated "as he is beginning to throw the ball back in," I assumed B1 was OOB and the ball was live.

I tentatively agree with your final sentence. While Camron makes a good point, I think the point of the rule is to give the thrower an unfettered throw. Whether the player is legally OOB only means you don't add a DOG warning to the mix, IMO.

I guess that I'm harsh. To me the rule is now very clear. You foul a thrower, it is an intentional personal foul. Period.
If you do so on the OOB side of the boundary plane, it also constitutes a delay of game warning. I don't care if the player was there legally or not. The contact is still illegal and the rule is crystal clear on the appropriate penalty.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I guess that I'm harsh. To me the rule is now very clear. You foul a thrower, it is an intentional personal foul. Period.
If you do so on the OOB side of the boundary plane, it also constitutes a delay of game warning. I don't care if the player was there legally or not. The contact is still illegal and the rule is crystal clear on the appropriate penalty.

While I agree with the IF judgment I don't agree with the DOG portion as B1 didn't cross the plane during a throw-in.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

While I agree with the IF judgment I don't agree with the DOG portion as B1 didn't cross the plane during a throw-in.

Right, I'm not hitting A with a dog just because B1 is quick to the ball.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I think that is one of those HTBT situations.

Some things to consider are:

1) When A1 regained his balance and then turned around did he instantly make contact with B1. If so, this is what we baseball umpires might describe as a "train wreck" and I would be inclined to stop play and reset.

2) On the other hand if A1 saw B1 and could have easily avoided him but instead decided to flatten him, I would be inclined to charge A1 with a IPF per rule. But this would be the only situation where A1 is charged with an IPF but the DOG (NFHS R4-S47) would not apply.

MTD, Sr.