Communication Help

[Toren]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That's what I say. It's the T's call. For all you know there's something he saw after the initial deflection which the C & L didn't. If he has a confused look on his face when he blows his whistle for the violation or if he looks for help then head in. If not, sometimes we have to let our partner(s) live/die with a call.

I don't know what happened by the division line, but when he immediately signaled the "tip" with his hands (unapproved mechanic) to show that the defender knocked it backwards, I knew he didn't see that it was the offensive player who hit it back.

But I agree with the sentiment. I wasn't going to blow my whistle even if the ball had gone into the backcourt. I was going to let us live with it.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That said, the trail should NEVER be indicating that it was tipped. They should call the play as it happens. The only time the tip signal should be used is after the play to communicate, perhaps to the coach, why the call was or was not made.

Why not do it ahead of time, so there wont be any need to communicate after the play? Preventative officiating, right? Putting out the fuse before the bomb ignites, right?

Originally Posted by Toren

I don't know what happened by the division line, but when he immediately signaled the "tip" with his hands (unapproved mechanic) to show that the defender knocked it backwards,

I wasn't going to blow my whistle even if the ball had gone into the backcourt. I was going to let us live with it.

I think of the tip signal more like a communication tool as opposed to a mechanic/signal.
That whistle is on a lanyard for a reason. Whats wrong with using our voice to communicate with our partners? I've called out a name before, returned the tip signal while saying "offense-offense."

Value of voice.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

I think of the tip signal more like a communication tool as opposed to a mechanic/signal.
That whistle is on a lanyard for a reason. Whats wrong with using our voice to communicate with our partners? I've called out a name before, returned the tip signal while saying "offense-offense."

Value of voice.

And did this work for you?

[tref]

With partners that display great court awareness, yes.

Using ones voice in addition to crisp signals can never hurt... well, unless you're wrong :-)

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

With partners that display great court awareness, yes.

Humblebrag

I might try it and if it doesn't I can always say "my partner didn't have great court awareness"

[tref]

Some guys dont look at you. Locked in on that bouncing ball...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Some guys dont look at you. Locked in on that bouncing ball...

I tend to lock in on the gaggle chasing the bouncing ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Why not do it ahead of time, so there wont be any need to communicate after the play? Preventative officiating, right? Putting out the fuse before the bomb ignites, right?

Because you both look bad if someone else calls something contrary to what the signal implies.

It is no different than one official visually indicating that the player got ball while another is blowing their whistle for a foul. Call infractions, not legal plays,....if you partner looks to you for information, signal it, but not unsolicited.

You are also telling each team information that may affect how they chose to play the ball...which is unfair.


What you describe has nothing to do with preventative officiating.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Because you both look bad if someone else calls something contrary to what the signal implies.

It is no different than one official visually indicating that the player got ball while another is blowing their whistle for a foul. Call infractions, not legal plays,....if you partner looks to you for information, signal it, but not unsolicited.

You are also telling each team information that may affect how they chose to play the ball...which is unfair.


What you describe has nothing to do with preventative officiating.

Makes sense, I'll try it that way.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Makes sense, I'll try it that way.

I'll also add that I will use those signals after the play in response to a question by a coach about why I did or did not make a call a certain way.

I'm across the court, coach says "Wasn't that over-and-back"...I'll respond with the tip signal at that point if I feel that the point that caused the question.