Well, It Finally Happened ...

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

In a) and c), however, I have the arrow switching after a completed throw-in.

In a) , did the D.O.G. warning cause the throw-in to end? The throw-in team did not violate.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

In a) , did the D.O.G. warning cause the throw-in to end? The throw-in team did not violate.

This is a good point, as it never was A's throw-in in the first place. Perhaps there's no DOG here.

Okay, so this opens up a can of worms. If you're B, and A has the throw-in incorrectly, should you just step over the line and cause a whistle, thereby getting the ball back when the mistake is realized (and no DOG)?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This is a good point, as it never was A's throw-in in the first place. Perhaps there's no DOG here.

Okay, so this opens up a can of worms. If you're B, and A has the throw-in incorrectly, should you just step over the line and cause a whistle, thereby getting the ball back when the mistake is realized (and no DOG)?

I'm giving B both.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This is a good point, as it never was A's throw-in in the first place. Perhaps there's no DOG here.

Okay, so this opens up a can of worms. If you're B, and A has the throw-in incorrectly, should you just step over the line and cause a whistle, thereby getting the ball back when the mistake is realized (and no DOG)?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm giving B both.

I'm going to disagree here by applying the same logic of 2-10-4: ...and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled.


So I would not give B a DOG warning nor would I charge A2 the foul in the other scenario you gave.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm going to disagree here by applying the same logic of 2-10-4: ...and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled.


So I would not give B a DOG warning nor would I charge A2 the foul in the other scenario you gave.

But would you give them the technical if they already had the DOG warning?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

But would you give them the technical if they already had the DOG warning?

No, b/c I'm ignoring the activity, in this case breaking the plane. I know it's a grey area but that's how I would go.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So I would not give B a DOG warning nor would I charge A2 the foul in the other scenario you gave.

I understand the logic behind not charging the DOG. You can't truly break the plane when it was your throw-in to begin with.

But, I don't see how that extends to fouls. A foul is a foul. Charge it, and give the rightful team the ball, while you still have the chance.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I understand the logic behind not charging the DOG. You can't truly break the plan when it was your throw-in to begin with.

But, I don't see how that extends to fouls. A foul is a foul. Charge it, and give the rightful team the ball, while you still have the chance.

Like I said, I'm using the same logic found in 2-10-4 for a CE. Am I right for doing so? Maybe, maybe not. But it does show there is precedent for ignoring certain activity when correcting an officiating mistake.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Like I said, I'm using the same logic found in 2-10-4 for a CE. Am I right for doing so? Maybe, maybe not. But it does show there is precedent for ignoring certain activity when correcting an officiating mistake.

You're right, it's a gray area. Not sure I could go that far, but I see the logic behind it. I wouldn't be surprised if, some day, they decide that these situations are too late to fix.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Like I said, I'm using the same logic found in 2-10-4 for a CE.

The rules are quite clear about what's a correctable error and what isn't. Throw-in errors aren't, nor are the activity that go with them. As much as we would like to extend this logic to other areas of the rules, we're simply not allowed to do so.

Here's a thought. Would you penalize a technical foul while the wrong team has the ball at their disposal on a throw-in? I'm confident all of us would. (It would also clear up the who-gets-the-ball-now discussion, too.)