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[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Some officials give a quick "toot" of the whistle as they walk onto the floor...so that everyone knows they are there.

This is a Texas thing, although some officials may do it in other places. In my opinion goes against the intent of the rule, I would never do it unless directed by my state association. The players and coaches know dunking is illegal in pregame. If they want a dunk competition, let them schedule one.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is a Texas thing, although some officials may do it in other places. In my opinion goes against the intent of the rule, I would never do it unless directed by my state association. The players and coaches know dunking is illegal in pregame. If they want a dunk competition, let them schedule one.

I understand where you're coming from.....think of it a different way: don't we "warn" kids about 3 seconds ("get out", "lane", etc), "warn" kids in the post ("hands", "space", etc.) or give other types of warnings during the game? the kids know those actions are against the rules....so isn't blowng the whistle prior to walking on the court the same thing?

If you feel that this action goes "against the intent of the rule", is there any type of "preventative officiating" that you engage in during a game? and if you do, why is THAT different than this?

just wondering....

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I understand where you're coming from.....think of it a different way: don't we "warn" kids about 3 seconds ("get out", "lane", etc), "warn" kids in the post ("hands", "space", etc.) or give other types of warnings during the game? the kids know those actions are against the rules....so isn't blowng the whistle prior to walking on the court the same thing?

If you feel that this action goes "against the intent of the rule", is there any type of "preventative officiating" that you engage in during a game? and if you do, why is THAT different than this?

just wondering....

Sounding the whistle makes it seem as if dunking is fine before the game as long as the officials are not on the floor. Dunking is never an acceptable act.

There are many times during a game where a player will put his hands on an opponent or not allow him a space. The action could be legal or could be a foul depending on how it is done. The vast majority of the times that a player does these actions he is not trying to foul his opponent. He is attempting to play within the rules. It is a completely different situation than dunking before the game.

[JohnNucatola]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Sounding the whistle makes it seem as if dunking is fine before the game as long as the officials are not on the floor. Dunking is never an acceptable act.

I have always wondered about this. Player dunks at a side basket. T????

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JohnNucatola

I have always wondered about this. Player dunks at a side basket. T????

For the purposes of the game at hand, a side basket is not a basket. I'd tell them to knock it off.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

For the purposes of the game at hand, a side basket is not a basket. I'd tell them to knock it off.

Side baskets are considered bench personnel. It's true. It's true.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Sounding the whistle makes it seem as if dunking is fine before the game as long as the officials are not on the floor. Dunking is never an acceptable act.

There are many times during a game where a player will put his hands on an opponent or not allow him a space. The action could be legal or could be a foul depending on how it is done. The vast majority of the times that a player does these actions he is not trying to foul his opponent. He is attempting to play within the rules. It is a completely different situation than dunking before the game.

ALL contact (or any other action), is acceptable until you blow the whistle. Nothing is a foul until an official blows the whistle and calls it a foul.

Same principle as the "pre-game dunk"....it's not a violation until it gets called.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

ALL contact (or any other action), is acceptable until you blow the whistle. Nothing is a foul until an official blows the whistle and calls it a foul.

Same principle as the "pre-game dunk"....it's not a violation until it gets called.

No, the concepts are not the same. Incidental contact is a rule, and the rules even give us a way to determine what contact is legal and what is a foul.

Pregame dunks don't even require judgment.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Whether Pregame dunks merit a technical foul doesn't even require judgment.

ftfy.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I understand where you're coming from.....think of it a different way: don't we "warn" kids about 3 seconds ("get out", "lane", etc), "warn" kids in the post ("hands", "space", etc.) or give other types of warnings during the game? the kids know those actions are against the rules....so isn't blowng the whistle prior to walking on the court the same thing?

If you feel that this action goes "against the intent of the rule", is there any type of "preventative officiating" that you engage in during a game? and if you do, why is THAT different than this?

just wondering....

This is my biggest peeve I have about how they do things in Texas. I hate popping the whistle on the way onto the court. They seem to be very tolerant here of the kids putting a dunking contest on prior to us hitting the court.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I understand where you're coming from.....think of it a different way: don't we "warn" kids about 3 seconds ("get out", "lane", etc), "warn" kids in the post ("hands", "space", etc.) or give other types of warnings during the game? the kids know those actions are against the rules....so isn't blowng the whistle prior to walking on the court the same thing?

If you feel that this action goes "against the intent of the rule", is there any type of "preventative officiating" that you engage in during a game? and if you do, why is THAT different than this?

just wondering....

The warnings (just like behavior warnings during the game) are designed to prevent infractions when players or coaches are getting close to "the line." If they cross the line before I warn them, too bad. I have warned players who come way too close to a dunk for my comfort.