Terrible lack of awareness

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rightful lawsuits? Really?!

Yup. In a case like this, I am in support of rules changes that permit a change to the last play of a game.

We all know that the last play of the game was officiated grossly wrong. Cancel the hoop and go to overtime.

If a rules change submission needs a lawsuit to give it some legs, then I'm in favour of that lawsuit.

I know the economy is tough right now, and that may be a mitigating factor in the ability to do so, but for a play like this, it is easily solved with replay. An HD camcorder hooked up to a video monitor is about $500 here in my area. Schools likely have a capable monitor anyways, so all that is needed now is an HD camcorder. If a school has an AV group, then they likely have a camcorder too.

And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Yup. In a case like this, I am in support of rules changes that permit a change to the last play of a game.

We all know that the last play of the game was officiated grossly wrong. Cancel the hoop and go to overtime.

If a rules change submission needs a lawsuit to give it some legs, then I'm in favour of that lawsuit.

I know the economy is tough right now, and that may be a mitigating factor in the ability to do so, but for a play like this, it is easily solved with replay. An HD camcorder hooked up to a video monitor is about $500 here in my area. Schools likely have a capable monitor anyways, so all that is needed now is an HD camcorder. If a school has an AV group, then they likely have a camcorder too.

And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

You're really in favor of having your butt hauled into court every time you work a game? Because once you open that floodgate, people will litigate every foul and violation you call, no matter the final point spread.

No, the referees should remain the final arbiter of the rules of the game and courts should continue to keep their noses out of it. After all, they have things that actually matter that they already can't get to without having to decide whether a shot grazed a rim or not.

If you don't want a referee's mistake at the end of a game to cost you a win, lead by more than 4 points at the end.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You're really in favor of having your butt hauled into court every time you work a game? Because once you open that floodgate, people will litigate every foul and violation you call, no matter the final point spread.

No, the referees should remain the final arbiter of the rules of the game and courts should continue to keep their noses out of it. After all, they have things that actually matter that they already can't get to without having to decide whether a shot grazed a rim or not.

If you don't want a referee's mistake at the end of a game to cost you a win, lead by more than 4 points at the end.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm in favour of replay. If it takes a court case to expose the need for replay, then I'm for the court case.

The technology exists. It is affordable. People can be trained easily enough. Replay is already accepted. The NBA has it. NCAA has it, too. But apparently, not for this game.

[stiffler3492]

It was Washington University in St. Louis. Not sure what division they're in.

Lawsuits? It's just a game. I know the higher up you go, the more stake there is for the coaches and players, but the majority of us do high school ball. It's just a game.

[zm1283]

It's Washington University in St. Louis. They are Division 3.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

It's Washington University in St. Louis. They are Division 3.

Not even all D1 schools have replay for every game. At the D3 level, it's *generally* used only duirng the championship series.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm in favour of replay. If it takes a court case to expose the need for replay, then I'm for the court case.

The technology exists. It is affordable. People can be trained easily enough. Replay is already accepted. The NBA has it. NCAA has it, too. But apparently, not for this game.

And you're not understanding the objection.

[JRutledge]

Division 1 is about the only level you can guarantee to have any replay. And if you did it would be inadequate most of the time anyway.

And the idea of a lawsuit is stupid. For one courts throw out these kinds of lawsuits in this country all the time when they do happen. Courts have better things to do than ask for a system that would be too much money to function at the Division 3 level. Schools at that level do not even have a lot of people at those games, you really think they can afford equipment and people to run them for every game. Three Junior Colleges just dropped football to save money and not much makes these schools that much different than Division 3, but what the school decides to commit to financially. Replay could happen, but it would likely not be good enough to show if the ball hit the rim consistently in these situation.

Peace

[SamIAm]

I see the light on the backboard light-up, then as the W23 flips the ball a buzzer sounds. Which is the correct signal? The delay seems to be almost half a second between the backboard light and the buzzer. If the buzzer is correct, the try by W23 seems very close to being released before the buzzer.
The final buzzer is a lot louder and seems in sequence with the backboard light.

Two different buzzers or am I hearing things?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I see the light on the backboard light-up, then as the W23 flips the ball a buzzer sounds. Which is the correct signal? The delay seems to be almost half a second between the backboard light and the buzzer. If the buzzer is correct, the try by W23 seems very close to being released before the buzzer.

Am I hearing things?

The light is for the shot clock expiring.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The light is for the shot clock expiring.

Which adds the hilariousness of the situation.

Maybe this video should go viral.

[jeschmit]

This is interesting in that I know 2/3 of the officials on this game. I'm actually working with one of them next Thursday.

I agree that there definitely should have been a shot clock violation, but I'd like to hear the story that they told to the coaches. I'll find out next week and report back what I hear.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

This is interesting in that I know 2/3 of the officials on this game. I'm actually working with one of them next Thursday.

I agree that there definitely should have been a shot clock violation, but I'd like to hear the story that they told to the coaches. I'll find out next week and report back what I hear.

Promise? Do they still a schedule?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

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And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

Not even every D1 game has a monitor.

Also, I don't think they based the shot clock non-violation on the jump shot hitting the rim, I think they judged the rebounder to have released her shot in time. She didn't, but that weak shot clock horn sure doesn't help.

If you look at the video counter the throw-in was caught at 0:09 and the rebounder released her shot just as the counter changed from 0:19 to 0:20.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not even every D1 game has a monitor.

Also, I don't think they based the shot clock non-violation on the jump shot hitting the rim, I think they judged the rebounder to have released her shot in time. She didn't, but that weak shot clock horn sure doesn't help.

If you look at the video counter the throw-in was caught at 0:09 and the rebounder released her shot just as the counter changed from 0:19 to 0:20.

Now that I've re-viewed the video kinda hard to even give them this out as the light for the shot clock violation clearly came on before she caught the rebound of the airball.