Terrible lack of awareness

[JugglingReferee]

Perfect example of a game where the referees did play a huge impact on the outcome of the game.

If you're going to screw up, fine. Make it happen 3 minutes into the game. Not on the last play of the game to break a tie. Endings like this with play-off implications are what leads to lawsuits. And rightfully so, imho.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Perfect example of a game where the referees did play a huge impact on the outcome of the game.

If you're going to screw up, fine. Make it happen 3 minutes into the game. Not on the last play of the game to break a tie. Endings like this with play-off implications are what leads to lawsuits. And rightfully so, imho.

Rightful lawsuits? Really?!

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rightful lawsuits? Really?!

Yeah, I would like to see an example of just ONE of these lawsuits. That's a ridiculous comment.

That said, also a ridiculously bad example of officiating where none of the three realized that was a shot clock violation with that time/score situation. AWFUL!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Yeah, I would like to see an example of just ONE of these lawsuits. That's a ridiculous comment.

That said, also a ridiculously bad example of officiating where none of the three realized that was a shot clock violation with that time/score situation. AWFUL!

Mostly that was on the C....they had the perfect angle to see that it fell short. The L should have had no idea. The T probably didn't have the angle to see if it clipped the front of the rim or not.

[stiffler3492]

That buzzer for the shot clock seems awfully quiet...even with an empty gym and the LED backboard lights, I suppose it's possible that the officials were so honed in on the ball, that they had no clue the shot clock went off.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Mostly that was on the C....they had the perfect angle to see that it fell short. The L should have had no idea. The T probably didn't have the angle to see if it clipped the front of the rim or not.

I'll disagree.

With that time and score everyone should have an idea IMO. And the ball was well short of the rim.

It was the C's primary but when she didnt have anything, one of the other two should have stepped up, especially with the advantage of having a backboard LED.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I'll disagree.

With that time and score everyone should have an idea IMO. And the ball was well short of the rim.

It was the C's primary but when she didnt have anything, one of the other two should have stepped up, especially with the advantage of having a backboard LED.

I tried giving a benefit of the doubt, so I thought "maybe it clipped the front of the rim" and watched it again and then again in slow motion. It wasn't even close.

I had such a shot clock violation in a women's game on Saturday, but it was in the middle of the half. I did hesitate a second (as the trail) because I thought the C was in better position to get this, but when he had no whistle, I called the violation. Actually, my play was slightly different in that the shot clock expired just as the offense got the rebound, but the result should've been the same.

It's game awareness. I know that I would've pulled the crew together and reminded them of the shot clock situation. Having it just a couple of seconds apart like that screams out extra awareness on this play.

Juggling: Lawsuits? Really? Are you serious?

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Yeah, I would like to see an example of just ONE of these lawsuits. That's a ridiculous comment.

That said, also a ridiculously bad example of officiating where none of the three realized that was a shot clock violation with that time/score situation. AWFUL!

There was one back during the high school football season. A team had to win by so many points to make the playoffs. They were winning near the end of the game but not up by enough to make the playoffs.

They ran a pass play. There was a foul by the defense during the down and it was unclear whether the pass was complete or incomplete. Now there were only a few seconds remaining on the clock. The offense then sets up for like a 45 yard field goal. If they get the points they will make the playoffs. The referee starts the clock on the ready for play (which may or may not have been correct). The clock runs out before the ball is snapped.

Because there was a foul by the defense during the last timed down of the period then the game should have been extended by one down. The officials ruled the game over.

There was some type of lawsuit filed saying that this team should have been be placed into the playoffs. I guess they just assumed that the HS team's odds of kicking a 45 yard field goal was about 100%

The lawsuit ended up going nowhere even though the officials obviously misapplied a rule. Lawsuits over officials getting a call incorrect are even more crazy. I can't believe that anyone believes that suing is the correct way to solve anything.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Cobra

There was one back during the high school football season. A team had to win by so many points to make the playoffs. They were winning near the end of the game but not up by enough to make the playoffs.

They ran a pass play. There was a foul by the defense during the down and it was unclear whether the pass was complete or incomplete. Now there were only a few seconds remaining on the clock. The offense then sets up for like a 45 yard field goal. If they get the points they will make the playoffs. The referee starts the clock on the ready for play (which may or may not have been correct). The clock runs out before the ball is snapped.

Because there was a foul by the defense during the last timed down of the period then the game should have been extended by one down. The officials ruled the game over.

There was some type of lawsuit filed saying that this team should have been be placed into the playoffs. I guess they just assumed that the HS team's odds of kicking a 45 yard field goal was about 100%

The lawsuit ended up going nowhere even though the officials obviously misapplied a rule. Lawsuits over officials getting a call incorrect are even more crazy. I can't believe that anyone believes that suing is the correct way to solve anything.

That happened not too long ago, and the judge tossed the case.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rightful lawsuits? Really?!

Yup. In a case like this, I am in support of rules changes that permit a change to the last play of a game.

We all know that the last play of the game was officiated grossly wrong. Cancel the hoop and go to overtime.

If a rules change submission needs a lawsuit to give it some legs, then I'm in favour of that lawsuit.

I know the economy is tough right now, and that may be a mitigating factor in the ability to do so, but for a play like this, it is easily solved with replay. An HD camcorder hooked up to a video monitor is about $500 here in my area. Schools likely have a capable monitor anyways, so all that is needed now is an HD camcorder. If a school has an AV group, then they likely have a camcorder too.

And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Yup. In a case like this, I am in support of rules changes that permit a change to the last play of a game.

We all know that the last play of the game was officiated grossly wrong. Cancel the hoop and go to overtime.

If a rules change submission needs a lawsuit to give it some legs, then I'm in favour of that lawsuit.

I know the economy is tough right now, and that may be a mitigating factor in the ability to do so, but for a play like this, it is easily solved with replay. An HD camcorder hooked up to a video monitor is about $500 here in my area. Schools likely have a capable monitor anyways, so all that is needed now is an HD camcorder. If a school has an AV group, then they likely have a camcorder too.

And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

You're really in favor of having your butt hauled into court every time you work a game? Because once you open that floodgate, people will litigate every foul and violation you call, no matter the final point spread.

No, the referees should remain the final arbiter of the rules of the game and courts should continue to keep their noses out of it. After all, they have things that actually matter that they already can't get to without having to decide whether a shot grazed a rim or not.

If you don't want a referee's mistake at the end of a game to cost you a win, lead by more than 4 points at the end.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You're really in favor of having your butt hauled into court every time you work a game? Because once you open that floodgate, people will litigate every foul and violation you call, no matter the final point spread.

No, the referees should remain the final arbiter of the rules of the game and courts should continue to keep their noses out of it. After all, they have things that actually matter that they already can't get to without having to decide whether a shot grazed a rim or not.

If you don't want a referee's mistake at the end of a game to cost you a win, lead by more than 4 points at the end.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm in favour of replay. If it takes a court case to expose the need for replay, then I'm for the court case.

The technology exists. It is affordable. People can be trained easily enough. Replay is already accepted. The NBA has it. NCAA has it, too. But apparently, not for this game.

[stiffler3492]

It was Washington University in St. Louis. Not sure what division they're in.

Lawsuits? It's just a game. I know the higher up you go, the more stake there is for the coaches and players, but the majority of us do high school ball. It's just a game.

[zm1283]

It's Washington University in St. Louis. They are Division 3.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

It's Washington University in St. Louis. They are Division 3.

Not even all D1 schools have replay for every game. At the D3 level, it's *generally* used only duirng the championship series.