Terrible lack of awareness

[fiasco]

What's the rule here with no replay? I'm assuming not blowing the play dead when the shot clock expires is not a correctable error?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fiasco

What's the rule here with no replay? I'm assuming not blowing the play dead when the shot clock expires is not a correctable error?

Correct. If none of the officials knows what heppened, then what happened happens.

[JugglingReferee]

Perfect example of a game where the referees did play a huge impact on the outcome of the game.

If you're going to screw up, fine. Make it happen 3 minutes into the game. Not on the last play of the game to break a tie. Endings like this with play-off implications are what leads to lawsuits. And rightfully so, imho.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Perfect example of a game where the referees did play a huge impact on the outcome of the game.

If you're going to screw up, fine. Make it happen 3 minutes into the game. Not on the last play of the game to break a tie. Endings like this with play-off implications are what leads to lawsuits. And rightfully so, imho.

Rightful lawsuits? Really?!

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rightful lawsuits? Really?!

Yeah, I would like to see an example of just ONE of these lawsuits. That's a ridiculous comment.

That said, also a ridiculously bad example of officiating where none of the three realized that was a shot clock violation with that time/score situation. AWFUL!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Yeah, I would like to see an example of just ONE of these lawsuits. That's a ridiculous comment.

That said, also a ridiculously bad example of officiating where none of the three realized that was a shot clock violation with that time/score situation. AWFUL!

Mostly that was on the C....they had the perfect angle to see that it fell short. The L should have had no idea. The T probably didn't have the angle to see if it clipped the front of the rim or not.

[stiffler3492]

That buzzer for the shot clock seems awfully quiet...even with an empty gym and the LED backboard lights, I suppose it's possible that the officials were so honed in on the ball, that they had no clue the shot clock went off.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Mostly that was on the C....they had the perfect angle to see that it fell short. The L should have had no idea. The T probably didn't have the angle to see if it clipped the front of the rim or not.

I'll disagree.

With that time and score everyone should have an idea IMO. And the ball was well short of the rim.

It was the C's primary but when she didnt have anything, one of the other two should have stepped up, especially with the advantage of having a backboard LED.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Yeah, I would like to see an example of just ONE of these lawsuits. That's a ridiculous comment.

That said, also a ridiculously bad example of officiating where none of the three realized that was a shot clock violation with that time/score situation. AWFUL!

There was one back during the high school football season. A team had to win by so many points to make the playoffs. They were winning near the end of the game but not up by enough to make the playoffs.

They ran a pass play. There was a foul by the defense during the down and it was unclear whether the pass was complete or incomplete. Now there were only a few seconds remaining on the clock. The offense then sets up for like a 45 yard field goal. If they get the points they will make the playoffs. The referee starts the clock on the ready for play (which may or may not have been correct). The clock runs out before the ball is snapped.

Because there was a foul by the defense during the last timed down of the period then the game should have been extended by one down. The officials ruled the game over.

There was some type of lawsuit filed saying that this team should have been be placed into the playoffs. I guess they just assumed that the HS team's odds of kicking a 45 yard field goal was about 100%

The lawsuit ended up going nowhere even though the officials obviously misapplied a rule. Lawsuits over officials getting a call incorrect are even more crazy. I can't believe that anyone believes that suing is the correct way to solve anything.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Cobra

There was one back during the high school football season. A team had to win by so many points to make the playoffs. They were winning near the end of the game but not up by enough to make the playoffs.

They ran a pass play. There was a foul by the defense during the down and it was unclear whether the pass was complete or incomplete. Now there were only a few seconds remaining on the clock. The offense then sets up for like a 45 yard field goal. If they get the points they will make the playoffs. The referee starts the clock on the ready for play (which may or may not have been correct). The clock runs out before the ball is snapped.

Because there was a foul by the defense during the last timed down of the period then the game should have been extended by one down. The officials ruled the game over.

There was some type of lawsuit filed saying that this team should have been be placed into the playoffs. I guess they just assumed that the HS team's odds of kicking a 45 yard field goal was about 100%

The lawsuit ended up going nowhere even though the officials obviously misapplied a rule. Lawsuits over officials getting a call incorrect are even more crazy. I can't believe that anyone believes that suing is the correct way to solve anything.

That happened not too long ago, and the judge tossed the case.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rightful lawsuits? Really?!

Yup. In a case like this, I am in support of rules changes that permit a change to the last play of a game.

We all know that the last play of the game was officiated grossly wrong. Cancel the hoop and go to overtime.

If a rules change submission needs a lawsuit to give it some legs, then I'm in favour of that lawsuit.

I know the economy is tough right now, and that may be a mitigating factor in the ability to do so, but for a play like this, it is easily solved with replay. An HD camcorder hooked up to a video monitor is about $500 here in my area. Schools likely have a capable monitor anyways, so all that is needed now is an HD camcorder. If a school has an AV group, then they likely have a camcorder too.

And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Yup. In a case like this, I am in support of rules changes that permit a change to the last play of a game.

We all know that the last play of the game was officiated grossly wrong. Cancel the hoop and go to overtime.

If a rules change submission needs a lawsuit to give it some legs, then I'm in favour of that lawsuit.

I know the economy is tough right now, and that may be a mitigating factor in the ability to do so, but for a play like this, it is easily solved with replay. An HD camcorder hooked up to a video monitor is about $500 here in my area. Schools likely have a capable monitor anyways, so all that is needed now is an HD camcorder. If a school has an AV group, then they likely have a camcorder too.

And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

You're really in favor of having your butt hauled into court every time you work a game? Because once you open that floodgate, people will litigate every foul and violation you call, no matter the final point spread.

No, the referees should remain the final arbiter of the rules of the game and courts should continue to keep their noses out of it. After all, they have things that actually matter that they already can't get to without having to decide whether a shot grazed a rim or not.

If you don't want a referee's mistake at the end of a game to cost you a win, lead by more than 4 points at the end.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You're really in favor of having your butt hauled into court every time you work a game? Because once you open that floodgate, people will litigate every foul and violation you call, no matter the final point spread.

No, the referees should remain the final arbiter of the rules of the game and courts should continue to keep their noses out of it. After all, they have things that actually matter that they already can't get to without having to decide whether a shot grazed a rim or not.

If you don't want a referee's mistake at the end of a game to cost you a win, lead by more than 4 points at the end.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm in favour of replay. If it takes a court case to expose the need for replay, then I'm for the court case.

The technology exists. It is affordable. People can be trained easily enough. Replay is already accepted. The NBA has it. NCAA has it, too. But apparently, not for this game.

[SamIAm]

I see the light on the backboard light-up, then as the W23 flips the ball a buzzer sounds. Which is the correct signal? The delay seems to be almost half a second between the backboard light and the buzzer. If the buzzer is correct, the try by W23 seems very close to being released before the buzzer.
The final buzzer is a lot louder and seems in sequence with the backboard light.

Two different buzzers or am I hearing things?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

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And wasn't this an NCAA game? Washington U, as in University? Doesn't NCAA have replay? Or is that for D1 only?

Not even every D1 game has a monitor.

Also, I don't think they based the shot clock non-violation on the jump shot hitting the rim, I think they judged the rebounder to have released her shot in time. She didn't, but that weak shot clock horn sure doesn't help.

If you look at the video counter the throw-in was caught at 0:09 and the rebounder released her shot just as the counter changed from 0:19 to 0:20.