ROP, twice in one game

[bainsey]

Last week, competitve MS girls.

Start of the second quarter, V's ball, my partner is the R. The second warning horn sounds, and both teams are still huddling. My partner looks at me, I nod, and he sets the ball down and starts counting.

Team V doesn't have a clue, but Team H comes out of the huddle, sees the ball, and high-tails it to the opposite side to pick it up. Tweet, DOG warning, and V has been bailed out.

Cut to the third quarter, 30-second time-out, V's ball, opposite sideline. H is on the floor in time, but V is still huddling at the second buzzer. This time, I perform the ROP, but this time, the right time sprints to beat the five-second count.

The humorous part was a loudmouth in the second row who didn't like the ROP one bit. (Tweet, red ball) "Give them a warning, give them a warning." (Ball set.) That's crap! That's CRAP!" I wonder how he and his team missed both warning horns, both times.

[tref]

Not that its a biggie, but did you tell the coaches in pregame that we expect them to be ready to play on the 2nd horn?

Did your partner tell the home to leave the ball alone before they got to it OOB?

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by tref

Not that its a biggie, but did you tell the coaches in pregame that we expect them to be ready to play on the 2nd horn?

This is part of my pregame talk with the coaches:

"Remember, the first horn ends the timeout, and we're going to put the ball in play immediately after the second horn."

Then, when the coach protests after I use ROP, I can simply say "we talked about in pregame coach, remember?"

[tref]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

This is part of my pregame talk with the coaches:

"Remember, the first horn ends the timeout, and we're going to put the ball in play immediately after the second horn."

Then, when the coach protests after I use ROP, I can simply say "we talked about in pregame coach, remember?"

+1

They cannot claim anything is "unfair" when we lay it out for them & then follow through.
"Coach, you do remember our pregame conversation?"

[tophat67]

Shouldn't the opposing team touching the ball out of bounds be a technical foul?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tophat67

Shouldn't the opposing team touching the ball out of bounds be a technical foul?

No, because the ball is not in possession of the thrower nor being passed to a teammate outside of the boundary line. So it would just be a DOG for crossing the throw-in boundary-line plane.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

This is part of my pregame talk with the coaches:

"Remember, the first horn ends the timeout, and we're going to put the ball in play immediately after the second horn."

Then, when the coach protests after I use ROP, I can simply say "we talked about in pregame coach, remember?"

Again - please correct that to say "and we're going to sound the whistle immediately after the second horn and then put the ball in play."

The first horn is a warning that the timeout is about to end - it does not end the timeout. They still have 15 seconds...

[just another ref]

The pre-game conference is not for explaining individual rules, including this one.

jmo

[tref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The pre-game conference is not for explaining individual rules, including this one.

jmo

I dont think us saying, "have them ready to play on the 2nd horn" is explaining anything.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The first horn is a warning that the timeout is about to end - it does not end the timeout. They still have 15 seconds...

Agreed. They are entitled to their full time.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Agreed. They are entitled to their full time.

"Huddle on first horn, break on second" is what I say in pre-game.

[refiator]

You MUST make eye contact with the coach when you alert "first horn" at the 15 second warning in a time out.
This happened to me ...once, and never again..... when the 1st horn sounded, I went to the huddle and said "First Horn". The gym was packed and very loud. I did not notice whether the coach heard me....When the second horn sounded, team B was on the court and ready to play....Team A was still huddled.......Partner put the ball on the floor...Resumption of play.....Coach A was unaware that either horn had had sounded due to the noise in the gym.....
Don't let yourself get into a bad situation as it is easy to avoid in this case.
Fortunately, no violation occurred, but a good teachable moment for us.
Yes, the coach SHOULD have someone watching the time, but if not, you can avoid problems by simple actions.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tref

Did your partner tell the home to leave the ball alone before they got to it OOB?

I think he was caught off guard, and by the time he realized it, the reaction time of any players would have been too late.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Was just going to ask if the administering official sounded his/her whistle before putting the ball on the floor and starting a count...that's part of the RPP.

Affirmative, mechanic followed correctly.

I seldom go ROP in any MS B-level game (7th grade and under), as they usually match up after every single intermission and time-out (and I'm cool with that). For A-level games when the teams are competitive, different story.

We never cover this in pre-game.

[Raymond]

1) Team V should have a clue. Get over to the huddle and loudly announce "2nd horn, ball's being put in play".

2) Anytime the ball is put down for a RPP, the administering official should loudly announce "White ball" or whatever color should be getting the ball.

JMHO based on listening to some old-timers.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

2) Anytime the ball is put down for a RPP, the administering official should loudly announce "White ball" or whatever color should be getting the ball.

We should also sound the whistle prior to beginning the ROP.