ROP, twice in one game

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

...MS girls...

You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Agreed. They are entitled to their full time.

"Huddle on first horn, break on second" is what I say in pre-game.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow

Believe it or not, it does drive the point home. I'm pretty liberal with the amount of time I give them compared to say...JV but they don't get all day before I put the ball down. It sends a clear message to the coach.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tref

Did your partner tell the home to leave the ball alone before they got to it OOB?

I think he was caught off guard, and by the time he realized it, the reaction time of any players would have been too late.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Was just going to ask if the administering official sounded his/her whistle before putting the ball on the floor and starting a count...that's part of the RPP.

Affirmative, mechanic followed correctly.

I seldom go ROP in any MS B-level game (7th grade and under), as they usually match up after every single intermission and time-out (and I'm cool with that). For A-level games when the teams are competitive, different story.

We never cover this in pre-game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I dont think us saying, "have them ready to play on the 2nd horn" is explaining anything.

Agreed. It's not like we're explaining the details of the rule.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed. It's not like we're explaining the details of the rule.

The two things I say to a coach during pre-game are pointing out the clearly marked box and ready to play on 2nd horn.

[RSturgell]

I'm glad I read this because I have been a little reluctant to put the ball back in play. It seems coaches want to push the limits and now w/ adding this to my pregame w/ coaches they will know what is happening.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fiasco

"Huddle on first horn, break on second" is what I say in pre-game.

What does "huddle on the first horn" mean?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What does "huddle on the first horn" mean?

I think he's talking about the last part of the time out. "Defense on three."

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What does "huddle on the first horn" mean?

I read this as, you can still be in a huddle when the first horn goes, but you better be on the floor when I hear the second.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I read this as, you can still be in a huddle when the first horn goes, but you better be on the floor when I hear the second.

Nope, b/c he said break on the 2nd horn. Not on the floor by the 2nd horn.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Believe it or not, it does drive the point home. I'm pretty liberal with the amount of time I give them compared to say...JV but they don't get all day before I put the ball down. It sends a clear message to the coach.

Same here. Often enough, these coaches think they can take their time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow

Better to learn the rule at that level than to learn it at the Varsity level.

(and, if they'd learn it there, it wouldn't be as much of an issue later on.)

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Last week, competitve MS girls.

Start of the second quarter, V's ball, my partner is the R. The second warning horn sounds, and both teams are still huddling. My partner looks at me, I nod, and he sets the ball down and starts counting.

I am not against getting teams out of the timeout and back on the floor ready for play. I usually try to make a comment during pre-game to say let's hustle out of timeouts and after balls that are out of bounds.

However, in this situation both teams were late out of the timeout, so you are actually penalizing one team when both teams have violated getting out of the timeout. It might be "right" under the rules, but objectively you are penalizing the V.

This would be completely different if V was standing on the court and H was in the huddle. Or vice versa. Again, I am not against getting teams back out on the court - I think its needed. However, I have witnessed officials do this before as a coach and I think more often than not, it's the official trying to show up the coaches.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by packersowner

However, in this situation both teams were late out of the timeout, so you are actually penalizing one team when both teams have violated getting out of the timeout.

Disagree. You are doing what you are supposed to do. If a team is late getting out, it is penalizing itself. If you are saying the offense is the only one penalized because they lose the ball while the defense loses nothing, it is their own fault. If they were out, they could be shooting an uncontested layup.