ROP, twice in one game

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by packersowner

however, i have witnessed officials do this before as a coach and i think more often than not, it's the official trying to show up the coaches.

bs

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I have witnessed officials do this before as a coach and I think more often than not, it's the official trying to show up the coaches.

No sir. It's the official saying, "Time's up. Let's move this game along."

[Zoochy]

I used the ROP procedure 3 times in a Girls JV game. Twice for Team A and once for Team B. I cover this in the pregame with my partners as well as the pregame with the Coaches/Captains.
If I am the 'off' official for the TO, then after the 1st horn I will get right next to the team huddle and loudly verbalize "1st horn. Hustle out". Then I move to my position. I am not one of those officials that hang around the huddle. After the 2nd horn they politly clap their hands and softly suggest to break up the huddle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I used the ROP procedure 3 times in a Girls JV game. Twice for Team A and once for Team B. I cover this in the pregame with my partners as well as the pregame with the Coaches/Captains.
If I am the 'off' official for the TO, then after the 1st horn I will get right next to the team huddle and loudly verbalize "1st horn. Hustle out". Then I move to my position. I am not one of those officials that hang around the huddle. After the 2nd horn they politly clap their hands and softly suggest to break up the huddle.

We're told to get loud at the first horn. If they don't come out, I'm repeating myself every five seconds or so. It's easier with 3, but my voice carries well enough in most games to be heard clearly by each team when I'm standing at the division line.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by Smitty

bs

Like it or not, putting the ball on the court and counting makes you look like a jackass who is there to collect his paycheck which is the same guy who is pissed when the game isn't over in 32 and half minutes.

I'll say it again, there is a time and place where this is necessary. However, you can watch games at every level with the best officials in the country, there is no way they are putting the ball on the floor 99% of the time as soon as the 2nd horn sounds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Like it or not, putting the ball on the court and counting makes you look like a jackass who is there to collect his paycheck which is the same guy who is pissed when the game isn't over in 32 and half minutes.

I'll say it again, there is a time and place where this is necessary. However, you can watch games at every level with the best officials in the country, there is no way they are putting the ball on the floor 99% of the time as soon as the 2nd horn sounds.

And standing there begging the teams to come out....

Or allowing one coach to use extra time without burning another TO....

I personally don't care what coaches think, but I've had more complaints that I give too much time to the other team. No one here says put it down on that second horn. But if they aren't even breaking the huddle, that's a problem that will easily be corrected by RPP.

And the "best officials in the country" don't have to put it down. The coaches all know better. This is more commonly necessary at MS and JV level games.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I'll say it again, there is a time and place where this is necessary. However, you can watch games at every level with the best officials in the country, there is no way they are putting the ball on the floor 99% of the time as soon as the 2nd horn sounds.

You'd be mistaken.

I worked with one of the top officials in the state a couple years back who did just that. He had told the captain, he had told the coaches in the pre-game meeting. On the first timeout where they were a bit slow, he prodded them out. Next timeout, he put the ball down right after the 2nd horn.

The coach who had possession later said to him, with a smile, ", you only warned us 3 times" and some other words basically saying they were fairly instructed.

Some officials may not be able to pull it off so smoothly, bit it is done.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Like it or not, putting the ball on the court and counting makes you look like a jackass who is there to collect his paycheck which is the same guy who is pissed when the game isn't over in 32 and half minutes.

That statement makes you look like the jackass. You're speaking as a coach, so it really has no merit. The RPP as a very effective tool when needed.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You'd be mistaken.
I worked with one of the top officials in the state a couple years back who did just that. He had told the captain, he had told the coaches in the pre-game meeting. On the first timeout where they were a bit slow, he prodded them out. Next timeout, he put the ball down right after the 2nd horn.

As I continue to say, there is a time and place. If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved. Based on the original post they hadn't discussed it or even warned either team. They just put the ball down.

[tref]

Originally Posted by packersowner

As I continue to say, there is a time and place. If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved. Based on the original post they hadn't discussed it or even warned either team. They just put the ball down.

So... if we dont review EVERY rule & situation in pregame then we cant call it?
Sounds like the coach that gets whacked & says "you never warned me!"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by packersowner

As I continue to say, there is a time and place. If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved. Based on the original post they hadn't discussed it or even warned either team. They just put the ball down.

I am one who doesn't mention it. And I'm in no hurry to put the ball on the floor.

However, the first time the huddle isn't broken on the *second* horn, I'm telling the coach to get out quicker, that we're ready to go on the second horn. The next time they're still huddled up when that second horn goes, the ball's on the floor about 3-4 seconds later and I'm counting.

*There's never a third time.* Why? Cause they know we mean business and that I'll do it again if they stay in the huddle too long.

I've put exactly 3 balls on the floor this season and I've worked 35 games, varsity and above. Not once did I even think I was "sticking it to the coach" or in a hurry to get out of there. I don't think allowing timeouts to drag from 60 to 90+ seconds is good for the game.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by packersowner

If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved.

2-12 Timers Duties

Art. 4 Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an intermission or time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to resume play..........

On top of that, many places an official approaches the huddle at the first horn to say, "First horn, white! Let's go!" (stupid and redundant imo)

Assuming part of this procedure was done, consider yourself duly warned.

[fiasco]

I had a Jr High game once where I used the ROP procedure after a timeout. It was right by the bleachers and a parent was screaming "You can't do that! It's your job to teach the girls!"

I turned around and said, "Well, this is how you teach them," tweeted my whistle and started my count.

[Adam]

About 50% of the time I put the ball down, I hear parents yelling, "He's counting, hurry up!"

Oddly, the defense hardly ever seems to be late.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

2-12 Timers Duties

Art. 4 Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an intermission or time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to resume play..........

On top of that, many places an official approaches the huddle at the first horn to say, "First horn, white! Let's go!" (stupid and redundant imo)

Assuming part of this procedure was done, consider yourself duly warned.

You consider the "first horn" warning by the official to be stupid? It's standard procedure everywhere I've lived.