ROP, twice in one game

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tref

We should also sound the whistle prior to beginning the ROP.

Was just going to ask if the administering official sounded his/her whistle before putting the ball on the floor and starting a count...that's part of the RPP.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) Team V should have a clue. Get over to the huddle and loudly announce "2nd horn, ball's being put in play".

2) Anytime the ball is put down for a RPP, the administering official should loudly announce "White ball" or whatever color should be getting the ball.

JMHO based on listening to some old-timers.

#3...and sound the whistle extra long (maybe a tweet-tweeeeeeeeet ) and loud before doing so.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

#3...and sound the whistle extra long (maybe a tweet-tweeeeeeeeet ) and loud before doing so.

Forgot to mention that part also.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

...MS girls...

You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow

Believe it or not, it does drive the point home. I'm pretty liberal with the amount of time I give them compared to say...JV but they don't get all day before I put the ball down. It sends a clear message to the coach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Believe it or not, it does drive the point home. I'm pretty liberal with the amount of time I give them compared to say...JV but they don't get all day before I put the ball down. It sends a clear message to the coach.

Same here. Often enough, these coaches think they can take their time.

[RSturgell]

I'm glad I read this because I have been a little reluctant to put the ball back in play. It seems coaches want to push the limits and now w/ adding this to my pregame w/ coaches they will know what is happening.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow

Better to learn the rule at that level than to learn it at the Varsity level.

(and, if they'd learn it there, it wouldn't be as much of an issue later on.)

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Last week, competitve MS girls.

Start of the second quarter, V's ball, my partner is the R. The second warning horn sounds, and both teams are still huddling. My partner looks at me, I nod, and he sets the ball down and starts counting.

I am not against getting teams out of the timeout and back on the floor ready for play. I usually try to make a comment during pre-game to say let's hustle out of timeouts and after balls that are out of bounds.

However, in this situation both teams were late out of the timeout, so you are actually penalizing one team when both teams have violated getting out of the timeout. It might be "right" under the rules, but objectively you are penalizing the V.

This would be completely different if V was standing on the court and H was in the huddle. Or vice versa. Again, I am not against getting teams back out on the court - I think its needed. However, I have witnessed officials do this before as a coach and I think more often than not, it's the official trying to show up the coaches.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by packersowner

However, in this situation both teams were late out of the timeout, so you are actually penalizing one team when both teams have violated getting out of the timeout.

Disagree. You are doing what you are supposed to do. If a team is late getting out, it is penalizing itself. If you are saying the offense is the only one penalized because they lose the ball while the defense loses nothing, it is their own fault. If they were out, they could be shooting an uncontested layup.

[Zoochy]

I used the ROP procedure 3 times in a Girls JV game. Twice for Team A and once for Team B. I cover this in the pregame with my partners as well as the pregame with the Coaches/Captains.
If I am the 'off' official for the TO, then after the 1st horn I will get right next to the team huddle and loudly verbalize "1st horn. Hustle out". Then I move to my position. I am not one of those officials that hang around the huddle. After the 2nd horn they politly clap their hands and softly suggest to break up the huddle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I used the ROP procedure 3 times in a Girls JV game. Twice for Team A and once for Team B. I cover this in the pregame with my partners as well as the pregame with the Coaches/Captains.
If I am the 'off' official for the TO, then after the 1st horn I will get right next to the team huddle and loudly verbalize "1st horn. Hustle out". Then I move to my position. I am not one of those officials that hang around the huddle. After the 2nd horn they politly clap their hands and softly suggest to break up the huddle.

We're told to get loud at the first horn. If they don't come out, I'm repeating myself every five seconds or so. It's easier with 3, but my voice carries well enough in most games to be heard clearly by each team when I'm standing at the division line.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by packersowner

however, i have witnessed officials do this before as a coach and i think more often than not, it's the official trying to show up the coaches.

bs

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by Smitty

bs

Like it or not, putting the ball on the court and counting makes you look like a jackass who is there to collect his paycheck which is the same guy who is pissed when the game isn't over in 32 and half minutes.

I'll say it again, there is a time and place where this is necessary. However, you can watch games at every level with the best officials in the country, there is no way they are putting the ball on the floor 99% of the time as soon as the 2nd horn sounds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Like it or not, putting the ball on the court and counting makes you look like a jackass who is there to collect his paycheck which is the same guy who is pissed when the game isn't over in 32 and half minutes.

I'll say it again, there is a time and place where this is necessary. However, you can watch games at every level with the best officials in the country, there is no way they are putting the ball on the floor 99% of the time as soon as the 2nd horn sounds.

And standing there begging the teams to come out....

Or allowing one coach to use extra time without burning another TO....

I personally don't care what coaches think, but I've had more complaints that I give too much time to the other team. No one here says put it down on that second horn. But if they aren't even breaking the huddle, that's a problem that will easily be corrected by RPP.

And the "best officials in the country" don't have to put it down. The coaches all know better. This is more commonly necessary at MS and JV level games.