Dunk in pregame

[Nevadaref]

A technical foul is definitely WRONG in this situation.
The rule is clear and states that the act must be committed by "bench personnel, including the head coach." (10-4)

Simply have the person removed from the court and continue with the pre-game warm-up.

[amusedofficial]

T him. Presumably the rule in effect says no dunking in pregame. He's part of the pregame for one team if he's on the court and in uniform, per 4-24-4. He's in uniform, He dunks. We whack. The coach is responsible for controlling his own warm-up.

I find the excuse that he's not bench personnel because he is not in the book unavailing. That would mean a team could send its team out to warm up, list nobody in the book, dunk away, intimidate the opposition, then retreat immune from anything beyond a single administrative T

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A technical foul is definitely WRONG in this situation.
The rule is clear and states that the act must be committed by "bench personnel, including the head coach." (10-4)

Simply have the person removed from the court and continue with the pre-game warm-up.

Except he is bench personnel. Bench personnel include "all individuals who are . . . affiliated with a team." 4-34-2

Anyone being permitted by the team to participate in the warm-up is clearly affiliated with the team.

Considering the practice of having players play at both levels is not exactly rare, I'm not sure how you get around the T by rule as he very well could be a JV player as well.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Except he is bench personnel. Bench personnel include "all individuals who are . . . affiliated with a team." 4-34-2

Affiliated with the school? Certainly. With the TEAM? Not necessarily. A varsity player is on a different team than the JV team (swingers notwithstanding). If he's not in the book, and he's not an assistant coach, trainer, or manager, he's really just a fan.

Again, this is a player technical foul, not a team one. You must have someone to whack, and if he's not involved in that game, the only reason for a team T would be to stretch 2-8-1.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Affiliated with the school? Certainly. With the TEAM? Not necessarily. A varsity player is on a different team than the JV team (swingers notwithstanding). If he's not in the book, and he's not an assistant coach, trainer, or manager, he's really just a fan.

If he's out shooting layups with them, he's affiliated. What if he sits on the bench with them and tells you that you suck? You gonna allow that?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What if he sits on the bench with them....

THEN he's bench personnel.

Okay then. It's halftime of the JV game. Both JV teams go into their respective locker rooms, and the varisty teams take the court to shoot around. One dunks. Whack?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bainsey

THEN he's bench personnel.

Okay then. It's halftime of the JV game. Both JV teams go into their respective locker rooms, and the varisty teams take the court to shoot around. One dunks. Whack?

No, because he's not out their participating in a team activity. When a team allows an individual to join their warm up, he becomes affiliated with their team. If team is in the locker room, unless he had been sitting on the bench during the first half, I don't see an affiliation there.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

When a team allows an individual to join their warm up, he becomes affiliated with their team.

Okay, here's the crux, and it's probably a Roman thing.

Last month, we received instruction that, when a team is warming up, ONLY team members can be on the floor. If they're going to the locker room, it's a different story, but once they come out, it's only about the team. Everyone else is to be sent off.

So, if they're not part of the team, then I can't extend bench personnel to them. It's either 2-8-1 or nothing (most likely the latter), as far as I can see.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by bainsey

THEN he's bench personnel.

Okay then. It's halftime of the JV game. Both JV teams go into their respective locker rooms, and the varisty teams take the court to shoot around. One dunks. Whack?

According to the state of Colorado's CHSAA, yes, unfortunately.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

According to the state of Colorado's CHSAA, yes, unfortunately.

Really? From Tom?