Should I have called a Tech?

[blueprint]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Probably. I gave a T for this years ago. Or if nothing else, I would not have allowed that player to get away with something else for sure.

Peace

THis was the approach I ended up taking....I called him for EVERYTHING.

[stiffler3492]

I hope you didn't look for violations/fouls specifically on this player, just because he whipped the ball at you. While he deserves some sort of discipline, this wouldn't be fair. Either call the technical or don't, but afterward, he must be treated like everyone else (at least as far as normal basketball stuff goes).

[blueprint]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I hope you didn't look for violations/fouls specifically on this player, just because he whipped the ball at you. While he deserves some sort of discipline, this wouldn't be fair. Either call the technical or don't, but afterward, he must be treated like everyone else (at least as far as normal basketball stuff goes).

no, not at all, but whenever he made an infraction, i never thought twice about ringing him up again.

[Toren]

I would have walked him to his coach and said, "this player just earned a technical, you want to handle him?" Coach says, "yes, I will handle him"..."thanks coach" tweet, technical foul.

If the coach says "No, he's alright", "Thanks coach" tweet, flagrant.

Officials and high school players are not equal. We are adults, I don't feel we need to take crap from kids. If he wants to act like an idiot, his coach can talk to him, either way he's sitting on that bench.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Toren

I would have walked him to his coach and said, "this player just earned a technical, you want to handle him?" Coach says, "yes, I will handle him"..."thanks coach" tweet, technical foul.

If the coach says "No, he's alright", "Thanks coach" tweet, flagrant.

Officials and high school players are not equal. We are adults, I don't feel we need to take crap from kids. If he wants to act like an idiot, his coach can talk to him, either way he's sitting on that bench.

I totally disagree. Call the foul and make a decision and if a coach wants an explanation, then give it to them if they act professionally. I would not decide a flagrant act based on the actions of the coach. Make a call and move on. All you are doing is inviting more problems by interacting with a coach and then deciding to eject a player for something other than the actions alone.

Peace

[Toren]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I totally disagree. Call the foul and make a decision and if a coach wants an explanation, then give it to them if they act professionally. I would not decide a flagrant act based on the actions of the coach. Make a call and move on. All you are doing is inviting more problems by interacting with a coach and then deciding to eject a player for something other than the actions alone.

Peace

The actions alone deem it a flagrant but if the coach decides to handle it, I would probably just rule it a technical.

Now if he had bounced passed it hard, that is nothing, throwing a dart at an official 8-10 feet away is grounds for flagrant. See ya.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Toren

The actions alone deem it a flagrant but if the coach decides to handle it, I would probably just rule it a technical.

Now if he had bounced passed it hard, that is nothing, throwing a dart at an official 8-10 feet away is grounds for flagrant. See ya.

8-10 feet away that's like 3 -4 steps...if that ball hits you, you might get a concussion. This isn't a no call, this is at minimum a technical. If he were 15-20 feet away, I probably don't have anything. But in this case, it's the proximity that definitely needs to be addressed.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

The actions alone deem it a flagrant but if the coach decides to handle it, I would probably just rule it a technical.

That might be fine -- but you can't ask the coach and then base your actions on his answer.

Either (a) T, or (b) get ready to T but stop if the coach says ""I'll take care of it -- Jimmy get your *** on the bench" before you can blow the whistle, or (c) decide not to T and ask the coach for his help in controlling the player.

Or, (d) step out of the way of the ball and make the kid chase it down for you.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Toren

The actions alone deem it a flagrant but if the coach decides to handle it, I would probably just rule it a technical.

This is not a democracy. You are judge, jury, and executioner. The coach plays no part in this.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Toren

The actions alone deem it a flagrant but if the coach decides to handle it, I would probably just rule it a technical.

Now if he had bounced passed it hard, that is nothing, throwing a dart at an official 8-10 feet away is grounds for flagrant. See ya.

Wrong. You don't base your call on how the coach handles it. You base it on the act.

If he throws a fast, hard ball to you, technical foul.

If he throws the ball at you, that's different. That's flagrant.

[Adam]

We just had a discussion about a varsity coach who did this exact thing from the sideline in a JV game. Unanimously, we said to toss him.

Why in the world would you give a player more leeway? That's exactly what you're doing by even giving the coach a chance to "take care of it."

[APG]

Originally Posted by blueprint

THis was the approach I ended up taking....I called him for EVERYTHING.

I'd be careful with this line of thinking...especially in today's age where everything is a camera phone away from being put on the internet. I would not go about trying to call a player for everything when I didn't take care of business...for whatever reason. Now if the player comes close to unsporting conduct, then go ahead and whack him as he's already had his one "freebie."

Originally Posted by Toren

I would have walked him to his coach and said, "this player just earned a technical, you want to handle him?" Coach says, "yes, I will handle him"..."thanks coach" tweet, technical foul.

If the coach says "No, he's alright", "Thanks coach" tweet, flagrant.

Officials and high school players are not equal. We are adults, I don't feel we need to take crap from kids. If he wants to act like an idiot, his coach can talk to him, either way he's sitting on that bench.

I got to say I don't like this line of thinking. If you think the player earned a garden variety technical foul, you should just go ahead and assess it. If you think it's flagrant, then assess that and tell the coach the player is done for the game. I'm not going to base my decision based on how the coach decides to handle his player. That to me is changing how one calls a game based on not approving of a coach's tactics/judgement. That to me is no different than deciding to call more fouls on a pressing team up by 40 because one does not approve of a coach not calling off the dogs.

[fiasco]

I'm with Toren. Winding up and throwing a basketball from that short a distance at an official's head is intent to harm. I've had a ball thrown with a chest pass from that distance with not much oomph on it, and called a regular T.

But if a kid is winding up and throwing a fastball at my head, there's no way I'm letting him stay in the game. Buh-bye.

[blueprint]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm with Toren. Winding up and throwing a basketball from that short a distance at an official's head is intent to harm. I've had a ball thrown with a chest pass from that distance with not much oomph on it, and called a regular T.

But if a kid is winding up and throwing a fastball at my head, there's no way I'm letting him stay in the game. Buh-bye.

He didn't throw it at my head, but he threw an over the top, one handed pitch right in my chest. It was a laser. you could feel the intent behind the throw. I went up to him at half time and told him "you know you got away with one there, but dont ever throw the ball at me like that again."

After the game he came a shook my hand. Even that felt phony though.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That to me is no different than deciding to call more fouls on a pressing team up by 40 because one does not approve of a coach not calling off the dogs.

...you mean I've been screwing this up all this time?...whoops!