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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:30pm
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What do you got?

Take a look at this video. Do you think the L could have done anything better here?

Clearly the C and T did not have the ball because they ruled no basket. Could the L have helped out anymore?


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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:34pm
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Is There A Video Somewhere ???

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Take a look at this video.
I have no call. Definitely no call. I would bet my house that my interpretation is correct.
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:35pm
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:41pm
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I'm trying to attach a .wmv file, but it tells me it's invalid. What kind of file should I make the video in order to upload it?
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:43pm
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You can't attach .wmv files...only images, doc/txt files and zip files. You could upload the clip to YouTube and embedded the clip here.
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:45pm
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Okay, video should be in there now.

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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:03pm
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I've got a made three point try (that part is obvious).

This might be a time the lead could see the ball go in the basket since this was a potential alley oop play with an offensive player at the rim. Still the C and T have to get this call.
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:15pm
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The C had the look, the Trail wasn't even at half court. The players didn't even take the ball out of bounds after the made basket. NO EXCUSE!!!
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:32pm
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Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:40pm
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Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.
I know on my first viewing I wasn't sure the ball went in so I could understand if the C saw it the same way. If you see his converstation with the coach his hand gesturing indicates that he thinks the ball hit below the rim.

The fact that some players reacted like it went in and some did not shows that this was a tough one to call in real time.
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:50pm
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As I look at the video over and over, the ball clearly goes into the basket. If the ball was short it would have hit the floor directly towards the L. However, its trajectory is altered and bounces away from the lead. This was a missed called.
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:57pm
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If we're to be accurate, the C or T should've blown this dead immediately, making it a 3 for blue and a throw-in violation for white, correct?

Now, let's say your the C or the T, and you think the ball went in, but continued the play until the next dead ball. Obviously, you'd get the crew together about it, but the only thing you could do is award the 3, and let all other play stand (no throw-in violation), correct?
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 11:10pm
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Now, let's say your the C or the T, and you think the ball went in, but continued the play until the next dead ball. Obviously, you'd get the crew together about it, but the only thing you could do is award the 3, and let all other play stand (no throw-in violation), correct?
No. If I think the ball went in, I immediately kill the play. Award the points or give the ball to white, who had the ball when I killed the play.

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If you pause the video just right, or use this video the ball clearly goes through the basket:

I paused the video over and over and I don't see the ball clearly going in the basket. I see the ball hitting the net. The quality of the video is not good enough to see whether the ball goes through the ring or not.

All things being equal, there's no hesitation by the C, the T or the players. No players are raising their arms and yelling for a basket. The hand is quicker than the eye. I've got no basket.

BTW, if the ball is in the net, the player who jumped for the pass has his hand on the rim, which is BI.
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Old Mon Feb 13, 2012, 04:53am
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If we're to be accurate, the C or T should've blown this dead immediately, making it a 3 for blue and a throw-in violation for white, correct?

Now, let's say your the C or the T, and you think the ball went in, but continued the play until the next dead ball. Obviously, you'd get the crew together about it, but the only thing you could do is award the 3, and let all other play stand (no throw-in violation), correct?
First...It's a three. If you pause the video at about 0:11 you can see the ball above the rim and then a split-second later it takes a sharp left turn. I went to a science high school so I know there's no way a ball does that in mid-air by itself.

Second...If I happen to stop it and award the goal I'm not calling a throw-in violation. I'd just give the ball to White. Given the general confusion on the court I think that makes sense.

Third...yes, if you figured things out after the foul you'd just award the 3 and go to the POI which is whatever penalty is being administered for the foul.
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Old Sun Feb 12, 2012, 09:01pm
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Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.
If you pause the video just right, or use this video the ball clearly goes through the basket:









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