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Toren Sun Feb 12, 2012 03:30pm

What do you got?
 
Take a look at this video. Do you think the L could have done anything better here?

Clearly the C and T did not have the ball because they ruled no basket. Could the L have helped out anymore?

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BillyMac Sun Feb 12, 2012 03:34pm

Is There A Video Somewhere ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 823160)
Take a look at this video.

I have no call. Definitely no call. I would bet my house that my interpretation is correct.

APG Sun Feb 12, 2012 03:35pm

Forgot something? ;)

Toren Sun Feb 12, 2012 03:41pm

I'm trying to attach a .wmv file, but it tells me it's invalid. What kind of file should I make the video in order to upload it?

APG Sun Feb 12, 2012 03:43pm

You can't attach .wmv files...only images, doc/txt files and zip files. You could upload the clip to YouTube and embedded the clip here.

Toren Sun Feb 12, 2012 03:45pm

Okay, video should be in there now.

APG Sun Feb 12, 2012 04:03pm

I've got a made three point try (that part is obvious).

This might be a time the lead could see the ball go in the basket since this was a potential alley oop play with an offensive player at the rim. Still the C and T have to get this call.

HawkeyeCubP Sun Feb 12, 2012 04:19pm

I suppose the L could help, but as APG said, the outside officials have to have this. To pick it apart further, :), I have no idea what white 21 did that constituted a foul, and that convo with the V coach went on too long for my liking, and the (assuming it's the R) official is at least a little razzled, and it shows when he tries to run to a wrong new spot before the ball's put back into play.
(I'm so glad none of my film is on here.):D

APG Sun Feb 12, 2012 04:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 823177)
I suppose the L could help, but as APG said, the outside officials have to have this. To pick it apart further, :), I have no idea what white 21 did that constituted a foul, and that convo with the V coach went on too long for my liking, and the (assuming it's the R) official is at least a little razzled, and it shows when he tries to run to a wrong new spot before the ball's put back into play.
(I'm so glad none of my film is on here.):D

I didn't see much on the illegal screen call either...I didn't see the push that the official indicated.

What I'm really surprised about is how white just took the ball after the made shot and dribbled the ball up the court. It's pretty much instinct for players to take it out when the ball goes in the basket.

truerookie Sun Feb 12, 2012 05:15pm

The C had the look, the Trail wasn't even at half court. The players didn't even take the ball out of bounds after the made basket. NO EXCUSE!!!

BktBallRef Sun Feb 12, 2012 05:32pm

Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.

Raymond Sun Feb 12, 2012 05:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 823197)
Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.

I know on my first viewing I wasn't sure the ball went in so I could understand if the C saw it the same way. If you see his converstation with the coach his hand gesturing indicates that he thinks the ball hit below the rim.

The fact that some players reacted like it went in and some did not shows that this was a tough one to call in real time.

truerookie Sun Feb 12, 2012 05:50pm

As I look at the video over and over, the ball clearly goes into the basket. If the ball was short it would have hit the floor directly towards the L. However, its trajectory is altered and bounces away from the lead. This was a missed called.

bainsey Sun Feb 12, 2012 07:57pm

If we're to be accurate, the C or T should've blown this dead immediately, making it a 3 for blue and a throw-in violation for white, correct?

Now, let's say your the C or the T, and you think the ball went in, but continued the play until the next dead ball. Obviously, you'd get the crew together about it, but the only thing you could do is award the 3, and let all other play stand (no throw-in violation), correct?

SNIPERBBB Sun Feb 12, 2012 09:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 823197)
Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.

If you pause the video just right, or use this video the ball clearly goes through the basket:
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