"That's a foul!"

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Very well, then. Am I to understand that you believe you have to "feel" what's an order and what isn't?

C'mon - really? You're sounding OOO...

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Good grief...it's not an order.

Wow, did you read the sentence?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Wow, did you read the sentence?

Yep...did you read it with the understanding that it's from a HS kid who is getting thumped in a game? He's whining...get over it.

[Rich]

It wouldn't get more than a little chuckle from me. And I'm certainly not shy about serving tea when necessary.

[Adam]

At most, it's a request.

[mbyron]

I wouldn't T up the kid till after I'd told the coach to control his bench. That calls the coach's attention to the misbehavior and affords him the opportunity to deal with it.

Doesn't work in every case: sometimes they're so far over the line you have to address it immediately. But in this case, if it's becoming a problem, that's how I would start.

[just another ref]

"C'mon ref, lighten up a little." I'd have to hear how it was said, but that doesn't sound like a problem. Could quite possibly even be said in a friendly manner.
But a kid repeatedly yelling for any call from the bench is not acceptable, in my opinion. If he sees something and spontaneously yells it (e.g. That's a foul!) I can live with that. The kid in my situation was repeatedly yelling for the 3 second call, and laughing about it. Coach had opportunity to stop it. He didn't, so I did.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yep...did you read it with the understanding that it's from a HS kid who is getting thumped in a game?

And that's relevant, how?

It's more than fine to be compassionate, but that doesn't allow players to break the rules in the process. Perhaps this is acceptable behavior in your corner of Rome, but here, authority is expected to be respected.

Originally Posted by RIchMSN

It wouldn't get more than a little chuckle from me.

I'd chuckle, too, quite frankly. That still doesn't make it legal.

We don't use a technical foul because we're offended. (I might never use them otherwise.) We use them because to keep behavior in check, whether that behavior bugs us or not.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

And that's relevant, how?

It's more than fine to be compassionate, but that doesn't allow players to break the rules in the process. Perhaps this is acceptable behavior in your corner of Rome, but here, authority is expected to be respected.



I'd chuckle, too, quite frankly. That still doesn't make it legal.

We don't use a technical foul because we're offended. (I might never use them otherwise.) We use them because to keep behavior in check, whether that behavior bugs us or not.

And you honestly believe that that comment is behavior that needs to be kept in check??

Like someone else already said - OOO.

[bob jenkins]

I'm reminded of the phrase that begins with "When your only tool is a hammer...."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm reminded of the phrase that begins with "When your only tool is a hammer...."

..."everything looks like a nail?"

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And you honestly believe that that comment is behavior that needs to be kept in check??

Like someone else already said - OOO.

Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

You know as well as anyone that communication is more than words. Context matters. Tone matters. Experience helps us determine those things.

Calling this comment an "order" simplisticly dismisses the other 90% of communication.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

Doesn't the fact that the vast majority of those responding to this see it the same way as Rockyroad does say anything at all to you? You're sounding very "fiasco-ish". And I mean inexperienced...

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

And I have no idea what you are talking about. What emotion?

You said you would call a T on a kid for a comment that several others have said would not even register with them. I disagreed with giving a T. So that makes this an emotional discussion?

Guess I understand now why you would T that kid.