Kid quits team during game.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The issue of the free throws is still at hand. Have his sub shoot?

Of course you do -- the same as anytime a player isn't available to shoot his/her own FTs. Why is this part even an issue?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Of course you do -- the same as anytime a player isn't available to shoot his/her own FTs. Why is this part even an issue?

It's an issue because he isn't eligible to be subbed for (yet). He's not injured and he isn't disqualified (yet). Once he's racked up two Ts or five fouls, then his sub can come in and shoot the free throws.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

It's an issue because he isn't eligible to be subbed for (yet). He's not injured and he isn't disqualified (yet). Once he's racked up two Ts or five fouls, then his sub can come in and shoot the free throws.

If the kid isn't coming back, then are you going to wait around forever? Forfeit the game? Given that the kid really has quit, then he's DQd, at least by the time the game resumes.

Assuming you know what's going on, then the rules about the jersey and leaving the court aren't going to apply. If the disgust is with the officiating, then they do apply.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the kid isn't coming back, then are you going to wait around forever? Forfeit the game? Given that the kid really has quit, then he's DQd, at least by the time the game resumes.

Assuming you know what's going on, then the rules about the jersey and leaving the court aren't going to apply. If the disgust is with the officiating, then they do apply.

No, I'm not going to wait forever, I'm going to hit him with enough Ts to disqualify him and move on. What I can't do is just declare him disqualified or to no longer be a player because I have no rule support for doing so.

The rules don't say it's a technical to leave the court if upset with an official but not if upset with a coach. It's a technical for leaving for an unauthorized reason and not wanting to play any more isn't an authorized reason.

I don't understand why we're trying to bend over backwards to not penalize a team for clear violations of the rules.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

No, I'm not going to wait forever, I'm going to hit him with enough Ts to disqualify him and move on. What I can't do is just declare him disqualified or to no longer be a player because I have no rule support for doing so.

The rules don't say it's a technical to leave the court if upset with an official but not if upset with a coach. It's a technical for leaving for an unauthorized reason and not wanting to play any more isn't an authorized reason.

I don't understand why we're trying to bend over backwards to not penalize a team for clear violations of the rules.

What if after the first T the coach tells you the kid has been suspended from the team at that point and is not eligible to play?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What if after the first T the coach tells you the kid has been suspended from the team at that point and is not eligible to play?

I do think that's a fair question as I was (and still am) a firm proponent of the if the coach says he isn't eligible he isn't eligible concept.

In this case, I tell him he's welcome to suspend the kid after he shoots his free throws or after he's disqualified. To me, there's a material difference between a coach telling me a member of bench personnel isn't eligible and telling me a player isn't eligible.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the kid isn't coming back, then are you going to wait around forever? Forfeit the game? Given that the kid really has quit, then he's DQd, at least by the time the game resumes.

Assuming you know what's going on, then the rules about the jersey and leaving the court aren't going to apply. If the disgust is with the officiating, then they do apply.

Resumption-of-play procedure, perhaps? Line 'em up (assuming no T has been called), for a free throw with nobody in the shooting position (since the eligible shooter has left the area), put the ball on the floor, count to 10, whistle the violation, move on.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Resumption-of-play procedure, perhaps? Line 'em up (assuming no T has been called), for a free throw with nobody in the shooting position (since the eligible shooter has left the area), put the ball on the floor, count to 10, whistle the violation, move on.

With 5 on 4?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Resumption-of-play procedure, perhaps? Line 'em up (assuming no T has been called), for a free throw with nobody in the shooting position (since the eligible shooter has left the area), put the ball on the floor, count to 10, whistle the violation, move on.

This wasn't after a TO so no RPP for free throws.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Resumption-of-play procedure, perhaps? Line 'em up (assuming no T has been called), for a free throw with nobody in the shooting position (since the eligible shooter has left the area), put the ball on the floor, count to 10, whistle the violation, move on.

That's one solution that was theorized yesterday.