intentional foul

[benbret]

NFHS Rules. Can an intentional foul be a dead ball foul. A1 is dribbling the ball in front court. She picks up the ball and stumbles. I call a walk and a split second after I call the walk see bumps into B1 and B1 pushes her with both hands intentionally. The contact was not flagrant but was enough that I needed to call a foul on B1.

[bainsey]

That would be a technical foul.

[APG]

Dead ball contact, to be called, must be flagrant or intentional...and dead ball contact by rule can only be a technical foul. So in this case, you would have an intentional technical foul.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by allpurposegamer

dead ball contact, to be called, must be flagrant or intentional...and dead ball contact by rule can only be a technical foul. So in this case, you would have an intentional technical foul.

+1

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by benbret

NFHS Rules. Can an intentional foul be a dead ball foul. A1 is dribbling the ball in front court. She picks up the ball and stumbles. I call a walk and a split second after I call the walk see bumps into B1 and B1 pushes her with both hands intentionally. The contact was not flagrant but was enough that I needed to call a foul on B1.

Personal fouls and technical fouls both come in intentional and flagrant flavors. An "intentional foul" is usually an intentional personal foul; but the case you're describing would be an intentional technical foul.

Similarly, flagrant contact during a live ball is a flagrant personal foul; flagrant contact during a dead ball is a flagrant technical foul.

[tref]

Originally Posted by benbret

NFHS Rules. Can an intentional foul be a dead ball foul. A1 is dribbling the ball in front court. She picks up the ball and stumbles. I call a walk and a split second after I call the walk see bumps into B1 and B1 pushes her with both hands intentionally. The contact was not flagrant but was enough that I needed to call a foul on B1.

So A1 can bump B1 but B1 cant shove A1 back? I'm going double here, as the bump caused the shoved.
Had B1 retaliated by punching A1 wouldnt we run them both?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

and dead ball contact by rule can only be a technical foul.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . .

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by tref

So A1 can bump B1 but B1 cant shove A1 back? I'm going double here, as the bump caused the shoved.
Had B1 retaliated by punching A1 wouldnt we run them both?

The poor kid stumbles and bumps into an opponent. We didn't see the play, but that hardly sounds like inciting B1 to retaliate. Sounds like the kid was clumsy, and fell into a girl who over-reacted.

(Jokes about over-reacting girls intentionally omitted!)

[tref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The poor kid stumbles and bumps into an opponent. We didn't see the play, but that hardly sounds like inciting B1 to retaliate. Sounds like the kid was clumsy, and fell into a girl who over-reacted.

(Jokes about over-reacting girls intentionally omitted!)

Hmmmmm never saw the stumbles part in the OP, the way it was written I was led to believe the bump was intentional. But like most cases probably HTBT.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by scrapper1

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . .

+1

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . .

APG is correct: dead ball contact can be only a technical foul. What he said does not imply that all dead ball contact is a foul, merely that, if a foul, it's a technical foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

APG is correct: dead ball contact can be only a technical foul. What he said does not imply that all dead ball contact is a foul, merely that, if a foul, it's a technical foul.

What about a foul on or by an airborne shooter after the ball goes through the hoop?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

APG is correct: dead ball contact can be only a technical foul. What he said does not imply that all dead ball contact is a foul, merely that, if a foul, it's a technical foul.

Swing and a miss. Strike two.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What about a foul on or by an airborne shooter after the ball goes through the hoop?

Dang! I keep forgetting that one, possibly because nobody in any of my games can stay in the air that long.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Hmmmmm never saw the stumbles part in the OP, the way it was written I was led to believe the bump was intentional. But like most cases probably HTBT.

It's there. Bump doesn't signify intent to me, not like "push" would.