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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 11:01am
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I know it was wrong but I did it anyway

Early in the game my partner blow the whistle for a double foul. Only problem it that the other official has not handed the ball to the thrower-in. Thus this is a dead ball foul. (If actually a penalizable foul at all). I say nothing and just continue game with POI.
Begining of 4th quarter. Before I bounce the ball the the thrower-in, this same official calls another dead ball foul. but this is just a single foul. Luckly the foul is on the offensive team (No free throws)
I gather with both other officials an explain the situation. I give him 3 choices.
1-Play on as if a normal foul. Tell table/coaches that the arrow will not change and no free throws.
2-Tell table/coaches that the foul is not applicable since the ball was dead and the action was not Intentional. Thus no foul and back the AP throw-in.
3-Tell table/coach that this is a dead ball foul. Thus Technical foul.
We went with #1 No one complained and we discussed the play in the locker room at the end of the game.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 11:12am
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At least your partner was good at working off-ball
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 11:29am
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3-Tell table/coach that this is a dead ball foul. Thus Technical foul.
Why ""? What's the big deal? Just call the foul.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 11:35am
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Why ""? What's the big deal? Just call the foul.
Go with #2 as it was not intentional.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 11:47am
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Why ""? What's the big deal? Just call the foul.
Because it's not the correct call.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 12:07pm
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I say nothing and just continue game with POI.
Why didn't you say anything? We all have a responsibility to get situationslike this right.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 01:38pm
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Partner(s) had no idea that there was a difference between live ball and dead ball fouls. The double foul ocured very early in the 1st quarter. He was 'cleaning up the game'. I forgot to discuss the play at half time. I felt it was unique and would not happen again. Game management could have been handled different.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 03:07pm
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Because it's not the correct call.
A dead ball foul is not a technical foul?
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 03:15pm
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A dead ball foul is not a technical foul?
Not unless it I or F, and it wasn't in the OP.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 03:23pm
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A dead ball foul is a technical foul. Dead ball contact is not a foul at all, unless ruled intentional or flagrant.
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 03:24pm
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Not unless it I or F, and it wasn't in the OP.
I assumed intentional in the OP; otherwise, there would be no whistle. Is there any other reason to foul someone during a dead ball?
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Old Mon Jan 09, 2012, 03:30pm
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I assumed intentional in the OP; otherwise, there would be no whistle. Is there any other reason to foul someone during a dead ball?
That's the point of the whole thread, methinks. They did it "wrong" in the first quarter, and "wrong" again in the 4th.
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I assumed intentional in the OP; otherwise, there would be no whistle. Is there any other reason to foul someone during a dead ball?
Normal throw in jostling, just started early. It happens. Normally, a quick knock-it-off works.
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A dead ball foul is a technical foul. Dead ball contact is not a foul at all, unless ruled intentional or flagrant.
And a live ball, noncontact foul, is a technical foul.
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