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Zoochy Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:01am

I know it was wrong but I did it anyway
 
Early in the game my partner blow the whistle for a double foul. Only problem it that the other official has not handed the ball to the thrower-in.:eek: Thus this is a dead ball foul. (If actually a penalizable foul at all). I say nothing and just continue game with POI.
Begining of 4th quarter. Before I bounce the ball the the thrower-in, this same official calls another dead ball foul:eek:. but this is just a single foul. Luckly the foul is on the offensive team (No free throws)
I gather with both other officials an explain the situation. I give him 3 choices.
1-Play on as if a normal foul. Tell table/coaches that the arrow will not change and no free throws.
2-Tell table/coaches that the foul is not applicable since the ball was dead and the action was not Intentional. Thus no foul and back the AP throw-in.
3-Tell table/coach that this is a dead ball foul. Thus Technical foul:eek:.
We went with #1:) No one complained and we discussed the play in the locker room at the end of the game.

tref Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:12am

At least your partner was good at working off-ball :D

bainsey Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:29am

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 811603)
3-Tell table/coach that this is a dead ball foul. Thus Technical foul:eek:.

Why ":eek:"? What's the big deal? Just call the foul.

Indianaref Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:35am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811610)
Why ":eek:"? What's the big deal? Just call the foul.

Go with #2 as it was not intentional.

Adam Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:47am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811610)
Why ":eek:"? What's the big deal? Just call the foul.

Because it's not the correct call.

Welpe Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 811603)
I say nothing and just continue game with POI.

Why didn't you say anything? We all have a responsibility to get situationslike this right.

Zoochy Mon Jan 09, 2012 01:38pm

Partner(s) had no idea that there was a difference between live ball and dead ball fouls. The double foul ocured very early in the 1st quarter. He was 'cleaning up the game'. I forgot to discuss the play at half time. I felt it was unique and would not happen again. Game management could have been handled different.

bainsey Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 811620)
Because it's not the correct call.

A dead ball foul is not a technical foul?

bob jenkins Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811723)
A dead ball foul is not a technical foul?

Not unless it I or F, and it wasn't in the OP.

just another ref Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:23pm

A dead ball foul is a technical foul. Dead ball contact is not a foul at all, unless ruled intentional or flagrant.

bainsey Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 811729)
Not unless it I or F, and it wasn't in the OP.

I assumed intentional in the OP; otherwise, there would be no whistle. Is there any other reason to foul someone during a dead ball?

bob jenkins Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811731)
I assumed intentional in the OP; otherwise, there would be no whistle. Is there any other reason to foul someone during a dead ball?

That's the point of the whole thread, methinks. They did it "wrong" in the first quarter, and "wrong" again in the 4th.

Adam Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811731)
I assumed intentional in the OP; otherwise, there would be no whistle. Is there any other reason to foul someone during a dead ball?

Normal throw in jostling, just started early. It happens. Normally, a quick knock-it-off works.

BillyMac Mon Jan 09, 2012 05:46pm

I Think We've Got Them All Covered ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 811730)
A dead ball foul is a technical foul. Dead ball contact is not a foul at all, unless ruled intentional or flagrant.

And a live ball, noncontact foul, is a technical foul.


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