Extra points for T's

[Mark Padgett]

I'm working a huge MS tournament this weekend (177 games total - no, not me, that's for the entire tournament) and I just got a copy of the rules. One thing I noticed was that the penalty for a "non-administrative" technical is two points, two shots and the ball. Man, that should discourage bad behavior, I hope.

BTW - I noticed some guys are working eight games in a row with a one hour break and there's a few who are working a straight seven game shift without a break! Fortunately, the games are running halves and about half of them are in a middle school and an elementary school, but the other half are in standard HS gyms. All of mine are in a middle school gym. Still, I'm stocking up on my meds.

Oh yeah, I looked at the full schedule and I know a few of the coaches whose games I'll have. I'll be sure to inform them of the technical rule in advance.

[jTheUmp]

Local rec league I work around here has a "2 points and the ball" rule for all technical fouls. Never heard of the "2 points + 2 shots + ball" one though.

I've also done 7-games-in-a-row sets in the rec league... luckily, those are usually in small gyms, with younger kids (11U, 12U, sometimes 14U). Once did a 7-game rec tourney on full size courts... even for a guy in his early 30s that was too much, it took me about 3 days to recover.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I'm working a huge MS tournament this weekend (177 games total - no, not me, that's for the entire tournament) and I just got a copy of the rules. One thing I noticed was that the penalty for a "non-administrative" technical is two points, two shots and the ball. Man, that should discourage bad behavior, I hope.

BTW - I noticed some guys are working eight games in a row with a one hour break and there's a few who are working a straight seven game shift without a break! Fortunately, the games are running halves and about half of them are in a middle school and an elementary school, but the other half are in standard HS gyms. All of mine are in a middle school gym. Still, I'm stocking up on my meds.

Oh yeah, I looked at the full schedule and I know a few of the coaches whose games I'll have. I'll be sure to inform them of the technical rule in advance.

Imagine a scenario where Team A is up by 8 late late in the game. Mark thinks, "what could happen?" and calls a "non-administrative" technical on A11. B makes both FTs.

When B inbounds the ball, they throw up a 3-point prayer, and it goes in! And the other official has a foul on the shot - clock reads 0:00.

[grunewar]

Mark would probably consult with his much more Jr partner and convince him it was intentional!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I noticed some guys are working eight games in a row with a one hour break and there's a few who are working a straight seven game shift without a break!

I bet that they don't switch on every foul. Any takers?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I bet that they don't switch on every foul. Any takers?

We don't do that in high school.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I bet that they don't switch on every foul. Any takers?

For rec ball, I'd only switch on shooting fouls. I'd switch exactly 0% of the time otherwise.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Mark would probably consult with his much more Jr partner and convince him it was intentional!

Wouldn't matter. The shot came after the horn.

BTW - I was thinking about the "extra" two point rule and it came to me that you would be required to give the extra two points if there was a technical for maybe some profanity by a player who was mad at himself for missing a layup (or some other reason that "barely" calls for a T) but there would not be the extra two points for a flagrant personal foul that could consist of a player punching another player in the mouth (or whatever) during a live ball. Doesn't seem equitable to me. Of course, in that case, you'd also have an ejection, but no "automatic" points.

Also BTW - regarding switching. In games like this, my partner and I usually agree to switch "when it makes sense". I think you guys probably understand that concept.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

BTW - I was thinking about the "extra" two point rule and it came to me that you would be required to give the extra two points if there was a technical for maybe some profanity by a player who was mad at himself for missing a layup (or some other reason that "barely" calls for a T) but there would not be the extra two points for a flagrant personal foul that could consist of a player punching another player in the mouth (or whatever) during a live ball. Doesn't seem equitable to me. Of course, in that case, you'd also have an ejection, but no "automatic" points.

Local rules, fools and that whole bit...

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

One thing I noticed was that the penalty for a "non-administrative" technical is two points, two shots and the ball.

How much do you think this deters unsportsmanlike conduct?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

In games like this, my partner and I usually agree to switch "when it makes sense". I think you guys probably understand that concept.

No I don't. That's very unprofessional. Here in my little corner of Connecticut, in games like this, we switch, "when convenient". Now that's the way that professionals do it. We're what you call experts at games like this.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Mark would probably consult with his much more Jr partner and convince him it was intentional!

Isn't every single partner, in every single game, considered to be a junior partner to Mark Padgett. I seriously doubt that he would ever work in Ohio, with Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. But if he did, I don't know who would be older? They both voted for Roosevelt, "Teddy" Roosevelt, that is.

[Welpe]

Oh brother...