Uncalled Cheap Shots

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How can one misuse a term that isn't defined in the rule book? Just because there's a hard foul doesn't necessarily mean there's been excessive contact.

I was just trying to figure out what posters meant by a "hard foul".

Say "hard foul" to any one of the three hundred officials, or 140 varsity coaches, in this part of Connecticut, and they will automatically assume it's two shots, and the ball. It's a when in Rome thing.

I had trouble figuring out poster's interpretations because every time I read "hard foul" I thought intentional foul. Maybe some of them meant an intentional foul. Maybe others didn't. I'm still not sure. Is this just a Connecticut thing, or does "hard foul" mean intentional foul in any other part of the country?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was just trying to figure out what posters meant by a "hard foul".

Say "hard foul" to any one of the three hundred officials, or 140 varsity coaches, in this part of Connecticut, and they will automatically assume it's two shots, and the ball. It's a when in Rome thing.

I had trouble figuring out poster's interpretations because every time I read "hard foul" I thought intentional foul. Maybe some of them meant an intentional foul. Maybe others didn't. I'm still not sure. Is this just a Connecticut thing, or does "hard foul" mean intentional foul in any other part of the country?

I am 99% sure they mean a common foul. I've only seen you use the term that way.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I am 99% sure they mean a common foul. I've only seen you use the term that way.

I have worked in three different states in two different parts of the country, coached in these areas as well, and know many coaches from all parts of the country due to my previous involvment with AAU.

99% of the officials and coaches I know think common foul when the use/hear the term hard foul. If they meant intentional, flagrant, or anything else they would use those terms specifically.

An example of a hard foul would be one where there is contact on a shooter. Rather than a "soft" foul that leads to an and one, the coach would rather see his players commit a "clean" hard foul. One in which there is a legitimate play on the ball but the defender does not allow an easy shot attempt/made basket. Its kinda hard to describe in words but again, 99% of the officials and coaches I've dealt with know exactly what it means.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we've been taught to vocalize, "hard foul", when we give the intentional foul, excessive contact signal, a signal that I realize is not an approved NFHS, or IAABO, signal, but it has been approved for use in high school games in my local area, if not all of Connecticut.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I am 99% sure they mean a common foul. I've only seen you use the term that way.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I have worked in three different states in two different parts of the country, coached in these areas as well, and know many coaches from all parts of the country due to my previous involvement with AAU. 99% of the officials and coaches I know think common foul when the use/hear the term hard foul. If they meant intentional, flagrant, or anything else they would use those terms specifically. Its kinda hard to describe in words but again, 99% of the officials and coaches I've dealt with know exactly what it means.

Thanks guys. Maybe officials here in "Rome" associate "hard foul" with intentional foul because we may be one of the few high school associations that use the unapproved (NFHS, IAABO) intentional foul, excessive contact signal. I guess that we're just a bunch of rebels. That'll teach not to use unapproved signals.

[BillyMac]

"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

Originally Posted by VaTerp

99% of the officials and coaches I know think common foul when the use/hear the term hard foul. An example of a hard foul would be one where there is contact on a shooter.

Let's see? Hard foul "means" common foul, and yet, contact with a shooter is a hard foul? How can contact with a shooter "mean" common foul? Not according to Rule 4. Man, talk about the "use, misuse, or abuse, of the terms". We're not even speaking the same language here. I may be the worst offender in this thread, but, by all means, certainly not the only offender.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."



Let's see? Hard foul "means" common foul, and yet, contact with a shooter is a hard foul? How can contact with a shooter "mean" common foul? Not according to Rule 4. Man, talk about the "use, misuse, or abuse, of the terms". We're not even speaking the same language here. I may be the worst offender in this thread, but, by all means, certainly not the only offender.

True.

I should have said common or personal.