Uncalled Cheap Shots

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Plays two and six, I have nothing in of themselves. The other plays, at minimum would be an intentional foul in my book in of themselves (with the fifth play being a straight flagrant by itself) but since we have number 34 for white not seemingly attempting to play any legit defense, he would have been tossed well before we got to those other plays.

More or less the way I saw it....2, maybe 3, are just common fouls. Hard, yes, but not meeting the definition of intentional. A couple are intentional. One, maybe two could/would be flagrant.

They're certainly not all flagrant as the video suggests.

[chseagle]

On foul #6, it also looks as if Red 34 feigns getting hit hard to cause the game clock to get stopped. White 34 did graze Red 34, but not hard enough to be knocked down with the force that supposedly happened.

Couldn't an Intentional be called against Red 34 then?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Couldn't an Intentional be called against Red 34 then?

No.

And holy crap, he's not feigning anything. You can't fake that sort of physical reaction while in the air.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

More or less the way I saw it....2, maybe 3, are just common fouls. Hard, yes, but not meeting the definition of intentional. A couple are intentional. One, maybe two could/would be flagrant.

They're certainly not all flagrant as the video suggests.

From the film, there is malicious intent in every one of them. Individually, a couple of them may be regular fouls. In the context, they are all intentional, IMO, with one flagrant. Not one of them is a basketball play.

The school should be ashamed. So should the officials, but the film indicates they think everything was fine from their perspective. I wonder if the supervisor will pull games. Clearly, these guys cannot work at the high school level without strong supervision.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

From the film, there is malicious intent in every one of them. Individually, a couple of them may be regular fouls. In the context, they are all intentional, IMO, with one flagrant. Not one of them is a basketball play.

The school should be ashamed. So should the officials, but the film indicates they think everything was fine from their perspective. I wonder if the supervisor will pull games. Clearly, these guys cannot work at the high school level without strong supervision.

Wow. I'm going to have to watch the video, but there may not be an actual supervisor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

From the film, there is malicious intent in every one of them. Individually, a couple of them may be regular fouls. In the context, they are all intentional, IMO, with one flagrant. Not one of them is a basketball play.

The school should be ashamed. So should the officials, but the film indicates they think everything was fine from their perspective. I wonder if the supervisor will pull games. Clearly, these guys cannot work at the high school level without strong supervision.

"In context?" WTH does that mean? You can't make the first call in context. They're two different players, and you can't punish #42's hard foul based on #34's previous fouls.

Assuming these were all in order, #34 would have been gone (flagrant) after his third foul. The first one was borderline intentional (not flagrant at all, by itself) and I may not have gone with an intentional that quickly. But his second one would be inentional and I would have easily gone flagrant by his third. It's possible I would have gone flagrant on his second one, he's going right through the opponent and not really even paying attention.

#42's two-hand shove with full extension is easily an intentional, but his first foul is just a hard foul.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by refiator

#34 needs to learn the game before he kills someone.

The officials need to learn how to officiate before they let someone get killed.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I don't believe 34 has any interest in learning the game. I believe he is there at the coach's direction to do exactly what we see in the video. No legitimate coach would keep this goon in a game for more than a minute or two. I can't imagine why a coach would even put him on the floor except to intimidate the other team. Its obvious he has zero basketball skills. A truly disgusting display by the player, his coach, and the oblivious officials working the game. One can only hope somebody at the state office address this nonsense immediately.

I agree. This "player's" actions are not fair to the other kids who are interested in playing a basketball game.

Originally Posted by chseagle

White 34 is a Senior this year. He has little basketball skills, yes I do admit it, so his primary duties is to be a defensive wall. White 42 is also a Senior that has some basketball skills but not really enough to be a truly good player.

When thinking about the duties of the officials, which is why we are here, who cares what grade he is in and what his primary duties are? In this game, and I'm sure others, he is a nuisance and should have been eliminated from the contest in one way or the other.

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Clearly, these guys cannot work at the high school level without strong supervision.

So Chseagle, are these officials "veterans" in your area? In your opinion, how to they rate in their association. Ladies and gentlemen, for their area, these may be top officials. Sad but possibly true.

Similar fouls by the other team has been mentioned as a possibility. So? Even if the other team committed the exact same fouls the fact still remains that very little was done to properly officiate this game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tomegun

When thinking about the duties of the officials, which is why we are here, who cares what grade he is in and what his primary duties are? In this game, and I'm sure others, he is a nuisance and should have been eliminated from the contest in one way or the other.



So Chseagle, are these officials "veterans" in your area? In your opinion, how to they rate in their association. Ladies and gentlemen, for their area, these may be top officials. Sad but possibly true.

I am not being biased, as like I stated White 34 should NOT be playing at all. Why he is being allowed to play I can only speculate that his family are boosters, financially.

I am not going to throw people underneath buses, so I am not going to comment on officials within the local associations that provide services.

[chseagle]

The final score of the game was 38-37 in favor of Connell. If I remember the standings right that was Connell's 1st win of the season after playing in 5 previous games.

Both schools are classified as 1A schools (208-521 students)

Connell's student count is: 391

Highland's student count is: 274

Not all the 1A schools in the WIAA District that Connell & Highland are in can field C squads, & Highland only has Boys' & Girls' JV & V Squads for basketball. Connell's only 1 of 2-3 1A schools that has all squads.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Both schools are classified as 1A schools (208-521 students)

Just out of curiosity, how does Washington classify schools 1-207 students?