Player Control Foul

[tazzeroo2002]

In considering Team Control and Player Control Situations, wondered about this. If A1 shoots, and A2 tips the rebound back and in the process fouls B1, does this qualify as a PC or TC foul?

I realize both end when the shot by A1 is released. I realize that if A2 catches the ball that both PC and TC are established. But what about on a tip? I'm guessing neither PC or TC, but can't find a rules reference.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tazzeroo2002

In considering Team Control and Player Control Situations, wondered about this. If A1 shoots, and A2 tips the rebound back and in the process fouls B1, does this qualify as a PC or TC foul?

I realize both end when the shot by A1 is released. I realize that if A2 catches the ball that both PC and TC are established. But what about on a tip? I'm guessing neither PC or TC, but can't find a rules reference.

Was A2 still in contact with the ball when he committed the foul?

[tazzeroo2002]

Didn't think it made a difference. If it's a tip, I don't think there would ever by PC. I guess if a difference exists whether A2 is touching the ball or not, I'll ask for both rulings.

[refiator]

Player Control.
The act of shooting begins with the start of a tap or a try; Team Control continues until the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by refiator

Player Control.
The act of shooting begins with the start of a tap or a try; Team Control continues until the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.

Admittedly team control did end on the original shot.....Just quoting the rule book. Still going with the PC.

[just another ref]

If he taps the ball in an attempt to score, he is an airborne shooter until he returns to the floor. If he commits a foul, it is a PC foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Was A2 still in contact with the ball when he committed the foul?

Oops, this only matters in NCAA-M.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by tazzeroo2002

In considering Team Control and Player Control Situations, wondered about this. If A1 shoots, and A2 tips the rebound back and in the process fouls B1, does this qualify as a PC or TC foul?

I realize both end when the shot by A1 is released. I realize that if A2 catches the ball that both PC and TC are established. But what about on a tip? I'm guessing neither PC or TC, but can't find a rules reference.

I assume you mean "tap," since the word "tip" does not appear in the rule book.

By rule, player control occurs when a player is holding or dribbling the ball. Based on that definition, there is no player control during a tap.

However, an airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor. If an airborne shooter fouls, it is a player control foul.

So no, there is no player control on a tap. But yes, it is a player control foul if he fouls after the tap, before he returns to the floor.

There is no team control during a tap if team control did not exist prior to the tap.

[RSturgell]

Ok so reversing this play. A1 releases ball on layup attempt, B1 moves into his path and A1 lands on B1. Layup is missed. A1 had already released the ball before crashing into an unestablished B1. B1 was still moving toward the play. 2 shots still for A1?

[APG]

Originally Posted by RSturgell

Ok so reversing this play. A1 releases ball on layup attempt, B1 moves into his path and A1 lands on B1. Layup is missed. A1 had already released the ball before crashing into an unestablished B1. B1 was still moving toward the play. 2 shots still for A1?

Assuming A1 hadn't returned to the floor yet, this is a foul on an airborne shooter and thus A1 would be awarded two shots.

[tazzeroo2002]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I assume you mean "tap," since the word "tip" does not appear in the rule book.

By rule, player control occurs when a player is holding or dribbling the ball. Based on that definition, there is no player control during a tap.

However, an airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor. If an airborne shooter fouls, it is a player control foul.

So no, there is no player control on a tap. But yes, it is a player control foul if he fouls after the tap, before he returns to the floor.

There is no team control during a tap if team control did not exist prior to the tap.

So if I follow this logic, it would mean that on the tap there is PC, so if the tap goes in, no basket?

Likewise, if I follow this logic, it would mean that on the tap if there is no TC, if B is in the bonus, B would shoot bonus throws as a result of this?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that logic seem a little twisted to me. This was the crux of my original question. I'm really wondering if a.) you'd count the basket on a tap that results in a foul by the tapper, and b.) award bonus throws to B if they the tap results in a foul by the tapper and B was in the bonus.

Would like to hear more thoughts on this. Thanks.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tazzeroo2002

Likewise, if I follow this logic, it would mean that on the tap if there is no TC, if B is in the bonus, B would shoot bonus throws as a result of this?

No FT's for a PC foul. 10-6 PENALTIES 1

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tazzeroo2002

So if I follow this logic, it would mean that on the tap there is PC, so if the tap goes in, no basket?

There's no PC after the tap is released, but it's still a PC foul. Read 4-19 (I think) Fouls -- PC Foul.

All the PC "rules" apply -- no basket for A, no FTs for B.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by tazzeroo2002

So if I follow this logic, it would mean that on the tap there is PC, so if the tap goes in, no basket?

Correct.

Likewise, if I follow this logic, it would mean that on the tap if there is no TC, if B is in the bonus, B would shoot bonus throws as a result of this?

Logic has nothing to do with it. It's what the rules say.

Team control has nothing to do with this play. It's a player control foul. No FTs for B.