Weird T Situation

[Toren]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Thanks. This is one of those situations that is difficult to explain to a coach while everything is going on, and in a heated game, that "loss" of possession could make a big difference, but them's the rules!

Anytime.

Incidentally, I hope your crew didn't add any time to the clock...am I correct in that?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Toren

Anytime.

Incidentally, I hope your crew didn't add any time to the clock...am I correct in that?

No we did not. I called the foul and stayed with the players (it was a pretty heated game) which is how I caught the T. I asked my partner if he caught the clock before time expired. He said he thought maybe there was a few ticks but he didn't know for sure, so we left it at zeroes.

[tref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

No we did not. I called the foul and stayed with the players (it was a pretty heated game) which is how I caught the T. I asked my partner if he caught the clock before time expired. He said he thought maybe there was a few ticks but he didn't know for sure, so we left it at zeroes.

Training ourselves to sneak a peak after every whistle is not a bad thing, especially if you're the non-calling official.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by tref

Training ourselves to sneak a peak after every whistle is not a bad thing, especially if you're the non-calling official.

Around here, it's a requirement.

[letemplay]

Can you ask for help from the table in whether or not there should be any time put back? What if the clock operator acknowledges he couldn't get it off at the whistle?

[kwatson]

Originally Posted by jugglingreferee

around here, it's a requirement.

+1

[refiator]

Originally Posted by Toren

Anytime.

Incidentally, I hope your crew didn't add any time to the clock...am I correct in that?

If you have a foul as time expires, you MUST add time to the clock. In GA, this has been a POE the past couple of years. .....You must at least have .03. If the whistle occurs prior to time expiring, you must add time to the clock.

[APG]

Originally Posted by refiator

If you have a foul as time expires, you MUST add time to the clock. In GA, this has been a POE the past couple of years. .....You must at least have .03. If the whistle occurs prior to time expiring, you must add time to the clock.

That may be a state association interpretation, but that is not the NFHS rule.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That may be a state association interpretation, but that is not the NFHS rule.

Yes...This is a GA interpretation....However I agree with it. If there is a foul during a shot attempt you must have time on the clock, otherwise there is no foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by refiator

Yes...This is a GA interpretation....However I agree with it. If there is a foul during a shot attempt you must have time on the clock, otherwise there is no foul.

The NBA has a similiar rule.

Georgia makes up their own.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The NBA has a similiar rule.

Georgia makes up their own.

Yes, zero's on the clock with a foul is an instant replay trigger...so in that case you'll more than likely put time on the clock though you COULD shoot free throws with no time on the clock if a foul after time expired is committed against a player in the act of shooting and the ball is released before time expires.

[BktBallRef]

NBA Rules
5-III a. Exceptions (2)

If the official’s whistle sounds prior to the horn or :00.0 on the clock, the period is not over and time must be added to the clock.

[APG]

Originally Posted by refiator

Yes...This is a GA interpretation....However I agree with it. If there is a foul during a shot attempt you must have time on the clock, otherwise there is no foul.

Not necessarily...you can have a foul after the clock hits 0.00 and still have no time on the clock if the ball is released in time, and the foul is on an airborne shooter.

In a perfect world, yes if you had a foul then horn, you would add time back on the clock. You see this in all NBA games and most major D-I NCAA games where they have the benefit of replay. Your state association has determined there must be .3 seconds added to the clock if this situation occurs, but that's an arbitrary number as there could be less time on the lock.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Your state association has determined there must be .3 seconds added to the clock if this situation occurs, but that's an arbitrary number as there could be less time on the lock.

We don't actually mandate .03 on the clock...just "time"... I can't argue arbitrary

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by refiator

If you have a foul as time expires, you MUST add time to the clock.

Based on what?