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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 05:39pm
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Question PCF or no-call?
Varsity boys scrimmage. A1 drives the lane and plows into B1 who has established legal guarding position. A1 goes down in a heap. B1, built like a truck, doesn't even budge. I'm prepared to call a PCF, but hold off when B1 doesn't move an inch. If he'd been displaced at all, it was a no-brainer PCF.

So I'm torn between two contradictory guidelines in this sitch: 1) train wreck in the paint should get a whistle and 2) no displacement of the defender = no advantage = no call.

Coach asked about the no-call and I explained my position, but what say you?
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2011, 05:46pm
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I agree with most train wrecks in the paint philosophy, but in my mind, there needs to be more than one car down to meet the definition of one. And 4-19-1 supports a no-call in cases like this, IMO, regarding the player being illegally contacted not being put at a disadvantage by the actions of the other player.
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Unless the contact stunned the defender so that he couldn't make a follow up play...play on unless A1 ended up traveling.
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When I discuss this in my clinics, I refer to this as the Spud Webb/Shaq collision. What ya got? No matter how bad it looks, sometimes it's nothing.....what advantage was gained?
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When I discuss this in my clinics, I refer to this as the Spud Webb/Shaq collision. What ya got? No matter how bad it looks, sometimes it's nothing.....what advantage was gained?
Good way to look at it.
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When I discuss this in my clinics, I refer to this as the Spud Webb/Shaq collision. What ya got? No matter how bad it looks, sometimes it's nothing.....what advantage was gained?
Do your younger guys know who that is?
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Don't remember him but I do remember muggsey bogues.
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Don't remember him but I do remember muggsey bogues.
Lol! Mugsey Bogues is the head coach at United Faith Christian Academy in Charlotte, NC. I worked his team's game last Thursday night.

Chirped for two and half quarters, until I gave him a stop sign in the 3rd and told him I had heard enough. Never heard another word.
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Lol! Mugsey Bogues is the head coach at United Faith Christian Academy in Charlotte, NC. I worked his team's game last Thursday night.

Chirped for two and half quarters, until I gave him a stop sign in the 3rd and told him I had heard enough. Never heard another word.
You mean there are two guards that came out of Wake Forest who have no clue on the rules?
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You mean there are two guards that came out of Wake Forest who have no clue on the rules?
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You mean there are two guards that came out of Wake Forest who have no clue on the rules?
At halftime, I chopped my hand about chest high and told my partners, "I've had Mugsey up to here."

Nice guy, just chirped about everything. It's his first year coaching. I explained his AD during a 4th quarter TO that when he complains about something every trip down the floor officials aren't going to listen and how he needs to pick his battles.
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When I discuss this in my clinics, I refer to this as the Spud Webb/Shaq collision. What ya got? No matter how bad it looks, sometimes it's nothing.....what advantage was gained?
That's fine for NBE. But if a shot went up, I've got a foul: I don't want A to score after that contact, and I don't want anyone stepping on the kid if there's rebounding.
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That's fine for NBE. But if a shot went up, I've got a foul: I don't want A to score after that contact, and I don't want anyone stepping on the kid if there's rebounding.
What does you wanting or not wanting A to score have anything to do with contact that occurs??
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What does you wanting or not wanting A to score have anything to do with contact that occurs??
If A commits a borderline foul, they're not getting the benefit of the doubt and scoring.
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If A commits a borderline foul, they're not getting the benefit of the doubt and scoring.
Pardon me, but what is a "borderline foul"?
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